Warcraft in 2026!

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And good Tuesday morning.
Welcome everybody. This is Azeroth

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Morning Radio.

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Many greetings.

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Just picture dirty kid.

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Welcome to mount class, everybody.

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That's a dude from my mount. I know.

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Love him so much. I love him
so much.

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I always feel like he's so
disappointed when I. When I like

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Despawn the mount. And then
him and his buddy are just like standing

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there staring at you. Yeah,
they're like, that's it. Where'd

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the mammoth go?

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Oh, gosh, that's hilarious.
Well, everybody, welcome. We are

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your hosts. My name is Jibs
and I'm joined by Mr. 2026 sevens

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that hasn't happened yet. Mr.
2023's Fireman of the Year. Fireman

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model. Hey, yeah.

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Fireman model. I don't even.
I'm fine. It's fine. I'm okay.

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Oh, operational security.

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You totally gave that away
last episode.

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You told everyone what you did.

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No, I know.

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I'm just saying don't. Don't
tell anybody my rewards and accolades.

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Oh, but I am good at my job.

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Anyway, Cash is here. What's
up, buddy?

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Oh, nothing, man. I'm just. I
was telling Jibs before the show

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that I tried in earnest to
play some Warcraft today. I got about

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15 minutes in this morning
after I woke up all pied with a friggin

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cup of coffee in my hand. I
got about 15 minutes before the server

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shut down. And my entire goal
for the whole day was like, okay,

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I gotta get this done. This
done. This. I'm a very organized

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person. I have lists, I have
things I need to get done. So I had

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all these things that I needed
to get done and I got nowhere near

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finishing. So I got like 15
minutes of Warcraft in today. And

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my wife's coming home with In
n Out later. So by the time we're

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done recording the show, she's
gonna be here with a big old fat

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3x3 burger. If you know you
Know from in n out. And I'm gonna

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go crush that and then I'm
gonna want to go night night time.

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Cuz it'll be suck my thumb time.

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Oh, dude, that's so you don't.
You know, it's funny with you, with,

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with carbs. I know you've
brought carbs back in your diet,

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but not, not in and out level
quality carbs. Like, do you. I know

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you do the lettuce wrap, which
is great. I enjoy that too. Do you

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do like. What else? Are you
like a fries person? Do you really

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branch out?

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Because not tonight. There
ain't no lettuce wraps happening.

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Honestly.

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Oh, you going night night.

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Honestly. So I am. I'm very
structured with my diet. Very much

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so. But I do, I cheat like
once a week and I cheat hard.

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Yeah.

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So right after we're done with
in and out, I'll be like, hey, is

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anybody want to go get a
blizzard? So. But you know, like

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sometimes like when you're.
Because I usually operate in a calorie

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deficit.

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Yeah.

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And eat very well. So there's
some point. Usually it's that one

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time a week where you, you
gotta, you have to replace some calories.

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You can't. You gotta live too.
I mean.

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Yeah.

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For titan's sake. You gotta
live. So if I'm gonna live, it's

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usually in and out once a
week. And yeah. I go. We already

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had this, we had this
discussion before, remember? I go

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with the overdone fries.

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Yeah.

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And you lost your mind.

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Yeah. That's still dumb.

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It's not dumb. In n out fries
that are a little extra crispy are

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amazing. And here's the other thing.

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Yeah.

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I don't do lettuce wraps
because I hate hot lettuce with a

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passion.

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Huh.

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I can't do it. It's like
eating seaweed straight out of the

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ocean from the Caribbean.
Maybe warm water.

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Maybe. I'm just so used to
the, you know, Midwestern, you know,

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burger King or McDonald's that
you just. Just part of life. Like

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I'm totally. I'm game for hot
lettuce if it's in a hot sandwich.

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I don't care.

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Now I'm going to pass on the
hot lettuce. But yeah, tonight. Well,

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actually, I take that back.
Eat hearty, my friends. For tonight

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I dine in heaven.

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Yeah, I was waiting like where
you take it, folks?

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What is spot. Sorry.

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Folks. Well, anyway, welcome.
This is episode 20 of Azeroth Morning

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Radio. We certainly can't
thank you enough so much for hanging

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out Here with us. Push and
play here on the show. We have a

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massive, massive episode for
you, folks. It is State of Azeroth

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week for us. We're a week
late, in short, but we're gonna go

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through all the nitty gritty
of State of Azeroth. We're gonna

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talk a little bit about
Classic plus and chat about recent

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developments in the MMO
industry. But before we get to all

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that, yeah, let's go to
commercial. We'll be right back.

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Folks, it's time to check the
bulletin boards, the back alleys,

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and that one tavern corner
everybody avoids due to the questionable

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smells. Welcome to the
Classifieds of Azeroth, where heroes

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buy, sell, trade, and deeply
regret their decisions. And today's

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listings are brought to you by
a gnome who absolutely should not

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be in charge of advertising.
Greetings, Azeroth, Buzzwick, Pickle

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Tickle here with today's
Classifieds of Azeroth. Remember,

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if it sounds unsafe, it
probably builds character. Here's

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one for you explorers out
there for sale. One mostly accurate

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teleportation belt. Sendsyou
almost anywhere you want to go. Occasionally

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warm, occasionally buzzing.
Once fused my pants to my crotchal

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region. Learned a lot about
cold fusion that day. ButI got where

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I needed to go, and that's
what counts. Huh. Five stars on the

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ad, though. Fast travel and a
free confidence test. Here's one

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for anyone looking for a place
to stay. Gnomeregan district. Musttolerate

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late night wrenching, loud
clanking, and mysterious stains that

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aren't your business. No
warlocks, no void whispers, no judging

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looks. Ooh, this one's
questionable. Listen,if you ask

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where the stains came from,
you probably won't outlive the leaks.

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Well, this one's interesting.
Mount Swap. Have one undead horse

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that screams when mounted and
judges your poor posture. Lookingfor

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something loyal, quiet, and
preferably not cursed by demons.

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Yeah, that's a hard nope. I
don't need emotional feedback from

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my transportation. Oh, here's
a whopper. Lostitem, one powerful

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artifact, Definitely cursed.
Whispers sweet nothings and bad ideas

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if found. Do not stare at it
too long or it starts flirting back.

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Meh. Promising. Probably.
Still,better conversation than trade

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chat. And that's today's
Classifieds of Azeroth. Remember,

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if it smells funny, hums
softly, or follows you home, congratulations.

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It'sprobably gnomish craftsmanship.

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All right, welcome back,
everybody. Thank you so much for

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tuning in again. This show is
Warcraft for the rest of us, the

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nine to fiverr those of us
working all the time. If you're not

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Parenting. You're working
casuals. Welcome home, friends. That

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says time for the heroes call.

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Heroes call friends. We have
unlocked some more World of Warcraft

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hidden secrets. I love these.
Did a little bit of a deep dive on

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this one because it's amazing.
Anyway, this comes to us from massivelyop.com

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we all know that wow.
Developers have been hiding secrets

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in World of Warcraft for
years. And a dedicated, very dedicated

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I want to say on this one,
group of wow. Secret hunters has

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discovered a previously hidden
location off of the western coast

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of Pandaria in the South Sea.
Way down at the bottom. When I say

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way down, I mean way down. On
the video that came out of this post,

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it looked like it took the guy
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half that, maybe five minutes
to swim from the surface all the

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way to the bottom of the sea
where this thing is found. Anyway,

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super deep down they
discovered a teleport to the cabal

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of the Mind Seekers. Now we
know that the Mind Seekers is going

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to be a thing in midnight. The
Mind Seekers is kind of the internal

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secretive guild within the
game for treasure hunters. So anyway,

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get down to the bottom of the
sea. There's a little portal that

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takes forever to get to and it
teleports you to a community headquarters

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of sorts for secret finders
who have found secrets in the game.

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And it's like a trophy, a
little trophy room for these secret

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hunters. And the way that it
was described in the article, and

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I would imagine this is
getting tracked in the game, is that

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players who have uncovered 17
secrets earn a special in game title

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and their names appear on the
wall in this secret cabal headquarters.

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What?

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How 100% badassery is that?

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Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome.

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Right? And when I found this,
it was. And it was in a place of

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obscurity and I was like, wait
a minute. But it's legit. Like this

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is a legit thing. I didn't
swim down there to check it out myself,

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but there is a legit video out
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So the nice thing about this
is that the like the collaborative

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problem solving and just flat
out exploration in this game is just

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insanity to me. That there are
so many secrets out there that a

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WoW player that's been playing
since 2004 just has zero idea about

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it. But it is all there for
people who look for it. And I love

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secret finding because if
you're just. If, say you're bored,

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say you're just bored with the
current content, or say it's late

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season Three. Right. And we're
going into, into a new patch or a

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new expansion. Secret finding
is something that you can do that's

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like completely optional,
completely casual. It takes some

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of your research out of the
game. So if you're done with the

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grind, like you can completely
just discover things. And I'm absolutely

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enthralled with this and at
this point in my life I wish I had

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the time to dive more into
stuff like this.

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Dude, I'm watching this video
as you're telling me this. It took

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them every bit of like it says
it was a three minute long video

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and it shows them popping up.
But I'm like number one, how would

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you even find this? Like this
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then to know to just keep
going down, like, yeah, I don't,

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it's.

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It's nuts. But anyway, I was
just, I'm so impressed with this

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and I'm so impressed with the,
with the whole thing of the Mind

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Seekers that this is one of
those things that is in the game

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and available to you in, in
the game that is such a, it's such

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an aside. It's a flank,
complete flank for the things that

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you could actually do or you
know, could actually be doing or

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being driven to do in the
game. And you can just take a little

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side route and go, nope, I'm
going to go look for secrets. And

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they're out there. That's
waiting to be discovered. It's just

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ingenuity in development.

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That's the beauty of a game
like this. That's so, I mean it's

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been around for so long. Not
only say old, no, I wasn't. It's

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been around for a while. It's
been around long enough that it saw

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me when I had hair and now I
don't, you know, samesies, samesies.

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Yeah. So like, you know, it's
just crazy number one that you know,

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that's part of the beauty of
having a game that's been out so

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long but also all the assets
that they can pull from now. Like

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think about that. If you
thought about that. I wonder what

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that library looks like. Like
I've used the program while export

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and you can see a bunch of
models and stuff but like all the,

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like their personal asset
library at Blizzard. Can you imagine

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how fast that is? Like just.
Yeah. Insanity. Right. And so like

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the fact that they can put
stuff like this in the game, it's.

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I mean it's neat. Like it,
you, you. I never believe someone

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can say I'm, I'm done with
wow. Like I've done everything. Have

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you? Have you really?

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No, no, I don't think it's. I
honestly don't think it's possible,

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not after all these years. I
don't think it's possible to have

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done everything. Like even
Lore Masters, you're not doing every

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single quest, you're doing
certain quest lines for certain achievements,

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you're not doing every single
quest. So even those people can't

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say they did it all. And even
if those people say I did it all.

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Oh cool. Did you master PvP?
Like have you gotten all those achievements?

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No, I just don't think it's
possible to 100% the game possibly

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in achievements maybe, but for
every piece of content.

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Dude, no, I think people have
done it. I'll say that. I don't know

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how many, but I know like
that's people's whole endeavors.

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100% World of Warcraft. I
can't imagine doing that thing like

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you want to talk about like a
lofty goal. My gosh, that aside,

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I think it's.

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Pretty amazing that they have.
Maybe I should caveat that with.

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I don't think any normal
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can say that they've 100% of
world of Warcraft.

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But it's just. Yeah, it's cool
because honestly like this to me

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is like probably started out
as a niche crowd. I imagine, you

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know, people going out there
and like finding out these things

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and then it started to gather
a larger following and then of course

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you have Warcraft secrets and
then you've now you've got this whole

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thing that really has kind of
blown up probably especially within

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the last. Oh gosh, what do you
think? Five years maybe like this

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whole movement.

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Yeah, and I'm glad you
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that is, I think that's where
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the secret finding discord.
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devs that go there and they,
they're probably just like giggling

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in their seats as they read
some of this stuff, some of these

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crazy theories and they're
like, I know where it is but you

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know, there's people that are
in there like really trying to figure

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it out. So if you're one of
these people, I would love to talk

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to you. If you are a tried and
true World of Warcraft secret finder,

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mind seeking cabalist, I'd
love to talk to you if you're interested

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in it. Discord GG WowSecrets
is their open discord for this and

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it is very intriguing the
stuff these folks are doing.

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Yeah, that's awesome, man.
That's awesome. Yes. I love it.

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Okay, let's move along, sir.
Second part of the Heroes Call board

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is something I am finding
really, really cool that the community

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is doing. And this is along
the realm of Classic Plus. So players

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across classic World of
Warcraft realms have organized a

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community driven project
focused on the idea of Classic Plus.

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What they're trying to do is
preserve the original spirit of Classic,

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but still add to it and expand
on what's going on there for this

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idea and theory of Classic
Plus. But they're doing it very thoughtfully.

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Instead of having a suggestion
here, a suggestion there that the

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developers have to search
through tons and tons, walls of text

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on forum posts. They're
consolidating their, their ideas,

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sharing design ideas for
future proposals, voting on said

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concepts and coordinating the
feedback in a very centralized manner

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for the development team. Love
this so much.

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Oh yeah.

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I hope one of the things that
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to make Classic plus look
better. There we go. There I go.

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The forever sticking point
with you.

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It might be, it might be. But
anyway, I love it as a grassroots

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effort and these are players
just getting together as a community

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to take active participation
in shaping the future of what Classic

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plus could be. And I think
it's freaking awesome.

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Where it resonated with me is
that this is very reminiscent of

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what Jagex does with Old
School Runescape. I had a very, very

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short stint in Old school
Runescape and when I say that I didn't

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play it very, very long, but I
did, and this was recently, this

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is probably within the past
year. I did a deep dive on the whole

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culture behind Old School
Runescape because it continues to

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be one of the most played MMOs
out there for sure. Like even lazy

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peon who's a content creator
on YouTube with fantastic videos,

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he like got completely
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And I was like, okay, why? I
mean, the game looks like ass. I'll

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throw that out there.

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I'm like, go on, go on. Hey, yeah.

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Yeah. You don't look too good
in a. Low polygraphics either, pal.

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Your head looks like a
rectangular dome that's been mauled

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by a bear.

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But you know, you cannot, you
just can't deny the complexity and

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depth of the game world, the
lore of the game and the millions

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of people who are just
completely addicted. There is most

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definitely something there.
Aside from, you know, what the visuals

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look like. But anyway, the
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reminded me of this is because
Jagex, who develops old school runescape,

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they put everything to a vote
for what goes in the game and what

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doesn't. And I love it so, so
much. Here's an example, and this

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is straight off of their
website, right. Should the level

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requirements for planting
multiple spirit trees be rebalanced

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as described in the blog? I
have no idea what that means. Right.

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But old school RuneScape
players do and you'll be very happy

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to know that 86% of them said
yes. So it looks like that's going

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to make it into the the game.
But how do you feel about being able

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to. And I don't even know if
Blizzard's going to be like, yeah,

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yeah, we'll take your
feedback. I assume they would, especially

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because of this grassroots
effort that these folks are doing.

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What are your thoughts on a
little bit more open development

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for something that is going to
be as beloved as Classic Plus?

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So being that we just came off
a week where we watched an open development

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MMO fully implode, I don't
know how well that would be received

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from a development team to do
something like that. Now, obviously

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that was like a full, like a
full side of the spectrum, right,

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where it's completely wide
open for the most part. You know,

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obviously Blizzard would not
do that. It'd be very different.

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I would love, truthfully, as a
fan. And I also, I also wonder though,

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before I go further, I also
wonder what the audience looks like

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over there for RuneScape, you
know, for old school RuneScape. Like

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it's. Is it a niche audience?
Is it the broader audience? Is it,

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you know, like, I don't. I
know nothing about that game aside

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from watching you play it and
you were kind of into it and you.

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And then you got. You couldn't
play anymore because it looked like

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you were playing paperboy back
on NES for.

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Yeah, that's true, dad. That
is 100% true dat. Now, if you're

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talking specifically on how
they have a voting system, I know

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you know what the audience
looks like that is allowed to vote

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on the game. There are some
requirements for you to be able to

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vote. Like, you have to have a
certain amount of hours in the game

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and you have to be progressed
to a certain extent. So you can't

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just like be a brand new
player coming in and be like, I don't

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like this. You know, not that
your one vote's gonna count anyway,

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but because there's thousands
upon thousands, tens of thousands

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of votes that go into this thing.

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Right.

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Maybe even more. But anyway,
and I would say let's hold on the

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conversation about the MMO
industry and the ashes of creation

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thing because we're going to
talk about that later for sure.

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Okay, cool.

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Yeah, I definitely want to
cover that later, but I just, me

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personally, I love this that
the community is getting together

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and doing this so they can at
least maybe have a voice in shaping

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the way that classic plus
turns out to be. Yeah, it's a beautiful

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thing.

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Yeah, definitely.

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State of Azeroth Dun dun dun.
AMR coverage breakdown. Now this

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is, by the way, this is coming
to us from wowhead.com but basically

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what we're doing is we took a
lot of their information and put

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it in a way that we can kind
of regurgitate it for you all. And

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we're going to. And we're
going to go sit here and go through

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all of it one by one and just
talk about it. Because, you know,

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last week we really didn't get
an opportunity to do so. And we really.

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And we saw multiple comments
come in. One person on YouTube said,

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Can't this be episode be
longer? It's like, well it will be

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next week. So.

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Saw that. I loved it though. I
mean, what a compliment, right? Can

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you make your episodes longer?

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Yeah. Oh yeah.

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We really, we should do that
one of these days, bud. Just do a

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blowout episode.

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Oh, I'm game. Like a three
hour long episode.

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Oh, that'd be super fun. Make
it like a Rogan esque video. Was

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like three and a half hours.

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Dude, let's do it. We could
record it on a weekend. But anyway,

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um, so State of Azeroth AMR
coverage breakdown. So, okay, we're

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just gonna probably go through
this from top to bottom because I

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tell you, when they opened up
the entire video and you're watching

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things happen on like whether
it's trailers or previous things

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from previous expansion,
blizzcon, you know, cosplay, all

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these cool things. Everything
that makes up Warcraft, everything

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that makes the Warcraft
community, the Warcraft community.

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You know, you got to see it.
It set the tone. Like Blizzard opened

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the state of Azeroth by
framing midnight as a story meant

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to land emotionally. The team
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to, quote, find your heart.
Whether you are brand new to Azeroth

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or have been playing for all
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to you?

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No, but it makes plenty of
sense because my daughter is on the

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cusp of 22. And I started
playing when she was a wee little

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baby sitting in my arms. So
yeah, now that I look at it, it makes

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me a little vomity. But yeah,
21 years, man.

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Yeah. So this was. So let me
ask you this, and this is kind of

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the part where we're like,
just pause and we'll talk about this

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for a minute. Does wow,
leaning harder into emotional storytelling

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feel like the right direction
for a 21 year old MMO?

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All day long.

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Yeah, all day long.

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You will never lose if you add
emotion into a storyline. Because

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once you get hooked into a
story, it's the same thing with reading

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books. Read a book and you
like the story. You want to keep

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turning pages. You don't want
to get up and take out the trash

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or you don't want to get up
and make dinner until your wife is

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yelling and screaming at you
to stop doing said thing. Otherwise

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she will murder you in your
sleep and you have to get up.

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Yeah.

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So do that thing. But when you
add emotion into it, it will lock

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you into the immersion factor
of the story. So all day long. I

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am a fan of tugging at
heartstrings when you're telling

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stories in MMOs and everything
else you do. I mean, the best movies

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are movies that make you hate
a villain or love a main character.

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And you know, look at, I don't
know, look at Game of Thrones. Right?

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One of my favorite all time
series ever. And you find the characters

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in that story that you love,
you love their trajectory, you love

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watching their character
development. And when it switches

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to other scenes with other
characters, you just want them to

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get back to your character.

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Yeah.

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And for me, well, we're
talking Game of Thrones. For me,

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it was Aya. I loved her
evolution from this little, you know,

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squirrely little kid to a
freaking assassin.

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Right.

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I mean, she just. Yeah. And if
you haven't seen Game of Thrones

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yet, I don't even care that I
spoiled that for you. Catch up. But

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man, it's. I mean, you want to
talk about getting hooked into a

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character. So when I can find
that same thing in my games, it hooks

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me into gaming that much more.

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Yeah. You know, I'm a firm
believer that everyone loves a good

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story. It doesn't matter the
kind of player you are. It doesn't

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matter if you're PvP or it
doesn't matter if you're a crafter.

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And I'm speaking strictly to
Warcraft right now. It doesn't matter

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what aspect of the game you,
like, at the end of the day, outside

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of the game, everybody loves a
good story. Lord of the Rings, you

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mentioned Game of Thrones,
Star wars, so many, you know, just

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different sagas. And
ultimately, at the end of the day,

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yes, I'm in full agreement
leaning into that emotional storytelling.

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And honestly, I will say this.
I think when games do it correctly,

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Let me underline that,
emphasize, embolden correctly. When

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you can kind of mirror the
times that we are in outside of the

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game. And it's not like
pulling in, you know, verbatim things

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that are going on, but when
you can kind of reflect in a way

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the emotional, maybe just the
vibe or the something that's. I'm

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trying to word this right.
It's maybe something that's happening,

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but when you can pull those,
like, certain elements in and its

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own way within a story, like,
I feel like to me it hits more like

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we talked about. And granted
this may be more of a personal thing

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for. For people, but like, for
me, like, you know, I talked about.

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We talked about at the end of
2025, you know, the kinds of years

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that we had both had and.
Which were pretty close and pretty

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similar to just difficult
years, you know, and just how much

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hope meant to us looking
forward into Midnight. You know,

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I think that when you can pull
on storytelling like that, that kind

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of reflects, like, hey, we may
be in a difficult time right now

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just as a people, whether it's
the us, whatever, wherever it is,

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or it may be strenuous when
you can bring those elements that

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it's maybe difficult, but
there is hope in a game. Like, it's.

435
00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:16,490
It resonates more. That's what
I'm trying to say. Like, it can resonate

436
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:21,770
in a way that I think it may
not if you don't do that thing. And

437
00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:23,490
it's just cool to see, to be honest.

438
00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:28,450
Yeah. And storytelling, when
it's done right, storytelling gives

439
00:29:28,450 --> 00:29:30,970
you your. Gives your character
their place in the world.

440
00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:31,570
Exactly.

441
00:29:32,540 --> 00:29:37,020
You know, even though for the
most part, the main storyline in

442
00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:39,260
World of Warcraft, everybody's
the dovahkiin, right?

443
00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:40,100
You're the dovahki.

444
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:43,420
We've talked about that
before. I'm the Dovahkiin.

445
00:29:43,420 --> 00:29:44,860
I'm the Dovahkin.

446
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:54,660
Ah, thank God you're finally
awake. We jest. We jest. But, you

447
00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:58,540
know, when you. When you are.
When the story is being told from

448
00:29:58,540 --> 00:30:03,720
the perspective of some major
calamity that's going on in the world

449
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:09,400
and you are the hero,
emotional investment is. Is super

450
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,720
important to make you love
what's what's happened in front of

451
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,360
you. So, yeah, man, I'm a. I'm
a huge fan of that. And I'm just.

452
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,840
I'm really happy the way that.
The way things are going, because

453
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,720
I'm excited to be emotionally
invested again.

454
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,050
Yeah. Yeah, me too. Me too.
And that's. And by the way, folks,

455
00:30:27,050 --> 00:30:32,410
you don't even know this. We
probably should do it next episode.

456
00:30:32,890 --> 00:30:36,570
Yeah, it's gotta be next
episode. Next episode, we're gonna

457
00:30:36,570 --> 00:30:40,730
be doing our award show. We're
gonna be going through the War within

458
00:30:40,890 --> 00:30:45,290
as an expansion and reviewing
everything from top to bottom story,

459
00:30:46,170 --> 00:30:50,770
NPCs, experience of raids, all
the things and we're gonna go through.

460
00:30:50,770 --> 00:30:55,460
It's kind of like amr's
farewell to the expansion. It's almost

461
00:30:55,460 --> 00:30:58,100
like our own Grammy Awards for
the War Within.

462
00:31:00,020 --> 00:31:01,220
I don't have to wear a tux.

463
00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:02,580
I'd rather you didn't.

464
00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:04,580
Okay.

465
00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:06,580
I mean, if you want to
remember that time we went to a wedding,

466
00:31:06,580 --> 00:31:09,380
I'll never forget this. We
would go to a wedding down Louisiana.

467
00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:10,340
Random.

468
00:31:10,340 --> 00:31:13,860
Random story. And, you know,
you. You had. We all drove down,

469
00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:18,140
right? We got down to Baton
Rouge, Louisiana, and we go to this

470
00:31:18,140 --> 00:31:20,640
wedding to surprise a friend.
You show up and you got, you know,

471
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,200
a nice dress shirt, nice dress
slacks. Everything's mint. Friend

472
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,760
I brought along with me, same
way. And I'm looking down, I realize

473
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:34,800
I have a western with the
literal, like, gemmed buttons, button

474
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,000
up. That really didn't fit too
well, if I'm being completely honest

475
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,680
with you. A little snug around
the chest, if you catch my drift.

476
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,880
Okay, I know you like your
shirts that way, but Jibs did not

477
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,810
like that shirt that way that
day. And I have jeans and tennis

478
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:58,530
shoes, and I'm just like, I
did not get the memo to dress up

479
00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:59,810
for a wedding.

480
00:32:00,050 --> 00:32:09,450
So we drove to Menards. The
best part of that story is that for

481
00:32:09,450 --> 00:32:13,370
the longest time, Jibs had
this certain pair of shorts, cargo

482
00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:16,100
shorts, that he would wear
when he put podcasts. And when you

483
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:17,660
podcast it, certain pair.

484
00:32:17,660 --> 00:32:18,580
Of shorts, the yellow ones.

485
00:32:18,580 --> 00:32:20,020
I know you remember you're
looking at me.

486
00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:20,860
Yellow ones now.

487
00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:22,260
Yes.

488
00:32:22,260 --> 00:32:22,980
The Lakers.

489
00:32:22,980 --> 00:32:28,300
His Lakers shorts. He had your
LA Laker shorts on. And I would just

490
00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:31,540
destroy him. Like, he'd be
like, I gotta go pee. And, like,

491
00:32:31,540 --> 00:32:34,460
get up. And he'd leave, and
he'd go off camera and stuff. And

492
00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:36,460
I'd be like, you're wearing
those damn shorts again, aren't you?

493
00:32:36,620 --> 00:32:41,440
How old are those shorts? So
old. And he's like, dude, they're

494
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,080
not old. These are from the 3
Pete, bro. I'm like, they're old.

495
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:46,480
I.

496
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,440
But anyway, he, he brought
these shorts on this trip and I was

497
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,480
like, oh my God. These are the
shorts. You remember that in the

498
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,040
hotel room?

499
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:56,640
Yeah, I do.

500
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,000
Oh, good memories.

501
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,040
Yeah, man. I, I hate shopping.
I still have jeans that are six years

502
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,280
old. I'll wear those things
until they can't be worn anymore.

503
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,720
Like, I don't. I. I want to
spend my money on gaming, not on

504
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,530
clothes. Anyway, total science
tangent. Let's.

505
00:33:12,530 --> 00:33:13,130
Good stuff.

506
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:16,050
Anyway, so they continue with
player housing, the long awaited

507
00:33:16,050 --> 00:33:19,770
feature. So Blizzard
acknowledged that player housing

508
00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:24,730
has been requested since the
early days of. Wow. They stated they

509
00:33:24,730 --> 00:33:27,970
waited because they wanted
housing to live up to, quote, 21

510
00:33:27,970 --> 00:33:31,890
years of player dreams. End
quote. Since early access began,

511
00:33:31,890 --> 00:33:36,060
players have collectively
spent, Check this out. Spent over

512
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:44,860
450 years of time inside
housing. More than 14 million gold

513
00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:50,060
has already been spent. How is
that not more than that? Yeah, a

514
00:33:50,060 --> 00:33:53,140
large portion of that gold
went toward the secret, secretive

515
00:33:53,140 --> 00:33:56,140
bookcase wall specifically
called out by Blizzard.

516
00:33:56,860 --> 00:34:01,740
Dude, I'll tell you why it's
only been 14 million gold. Because

517
00:34:01,820 --> 00:34:03,640
so many things you can get
with other currencies.

518
00:34:03,870 --> 00:34:04,310
Oh, that's true.

519
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:04,670
That's why.

520
00:34:04,670 --> 00:34:05,590
That's true. Yeah.

521
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:06,070
Yeah.

522
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:09,510
So does this, here's, here's
our discussion point on this, on

523
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:13,390
this part. Does this early
data suggest housing is already a

524
00:34:13,390 --> 00:34:16,990
long term pillar or is it a
novelty system?

525
00:34:17,390 --> 00:34:18,030
Too soon?

526
00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:19,150
Too soon?

527
00:34:19,549 --> 00:34:20,430
Too soon to tell.

528
00:34:20,430 --> 00:34:20,990
Okay.

529
00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:24,190
There's a lot of people, you
know, just getting into housing and

530
00:34:24,190 --> 00:34:25,870
just barely dabbling in housing.

531
00:34:25,870 --> 00:34:26,270
Yeah.

532
00:34:26,830 --> 00:34:32,439
So we really don't know. What
they need is we need to see some

533
00:34:32,439 --> 00:34:37,559
type of stats in like another
two years. And I bet you with every

534
00:34:37,879 --> 00:34:42,519
expansion or with every
content release, it probably goes

535
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:44,839
up a little bit and then dips
and goes up a little bit and then

536
00:34:44,839 --> 00:34:47,959
it's going to look like a
sawtooth. If you can follow with

537
00:34:47,959 --> 00:34:50,839
what a graph would probably
look like and then another expansion,

538
00:34:50,839 --> 00:34:55,279
probably a bigger sawtooth.
That's what I would expect it to

539
00:34:55,279 --> 00:34:59,110
look like because when new
features for housing come out, people

540
00:34:59,110 --> 00:35:02,830
are going to dive into those
wholeheartedly and then it, then

541
00:35:02,830 --> 00:35:05,230
it's gonna, it's gonna, you
know, kind of phase off a little

542
00:35:05,230 --> 00:35:07,270
bit. They're gonna get back to
other content, start doing other

543
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:13,150
things. But I think to find
out that housing is a long term pillar

544
00:35:13,150 --> 00:35:18,830
is maybe a little too early to
call. Now I personally believe that

545
00:35:18,830 --> 00:35:23,470
it will be a long term pillar,
but right now it's kind of novelty.

546
00:35:24,660 --> 00:35:28,380
Yeah, I agree with that. 100.
I think it will be a pillar. I really

547
00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:33,620
do, Especially as it continues
to expand. But will it right now,

548
00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:39,220
is it a novelty? I would say
probably with a little bit of a hesitation.

549
00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:43,100
Like, I don't fully know that
I believe that, but I feel like it

550
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:47,860
could definitely be that
thing. But yeah, like, it continues

551
00:35:47,860 --> 00:35:51,580
to surprise me, honestly.
Like, I was on Facebook today, found

552
00:35:51,580 --> 00:35:54,980
a random housing group. Never
heard of. This group has over 10,000

553
00:35:54,980 --> 00:35:59,220
people in already, and it's
incredibly active. Every day a totally

554
00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:02,700
different group. Never seen.
But I'm just like, this hit home

555
00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:10,420
with so a wide swath, us
included, of Warcraft fans, the housing

556
00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:14,460
system. You know, like, at the
end of the day, this was a home run.

557
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:20,950
And truthfully, how many
people would you say haven't even

558
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:23,830
experienced it yet because
they're just holding out to buy midnight?

559
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:27,470
They're just holding out to
pull that trigger. Like, I don't

560
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:29,830
think this is the total player base.

561
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:36,310
I think if there's people
playing now, they're already dabbling

562
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:39,350
in housing. There's probably.
Probably the small amount of people

563
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:43,520
or whatever percentage of
people that aren't playing housing

564
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,160
are people who just aren't
interested in it.

565
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:45,520
Yeah.

566
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,080
I think if you have any
interest in housing, I think it's

567
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,040
probably a very, very minute
fraction of people who are actually

568
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,640
waiting for midnight. Like,
it's right there in front of you

569
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,840
every time you log in. How
could you not click the button at

570
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:00,520
least go check it out?

571
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,280
Oh, yeah. I mean, gosh, yeah.
I mean, especially with endeavors

572
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,920
that have been going, you
know, and our. Our community's been

573
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:12,920
working through the mechanome
area, the quest or that whole thing,

574
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,760
the event, then, gosh, the
mechanome endeavor.

575
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,880
Hey, yeah. Yeah. I remember
when I first used my words

576
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:21,960
Just stop. Just stop right now.

577
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:27,000
Appreciate it. And so you're
welcome. And so anyway, it's just,

578
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:31,520
you know, it's been fun and
it's unique. It's. I love the idea

579
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,450
that you can go and see other
people's like, you know, we talked

580
00:37:34,450 --> 00:37:36,450
about a couple episodes ago,
you can go and see what endeavor

581
00:37:36,450 --> 00:37:39,610
they chose and go and buy
things from their vendor if you've

582
00:37:39,610 --> 00:37:42,130
been working on those
community coupons. So it's just.

583
00:37:42,610 --> 00:37:47,810
It's a really cool system. And
overall, like, even if it isn't your

584
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:50,730
shtick, like, my gosh, they
definitely laid the groundwork that

585
00:37:50,730 --> 00:37:52,850
they could grow this thing how
they want to, you know.

586
00:37:53,170 --> 00:37:53,890
Agreed.

587
00:37:54,130 --> 00:37:57,290
So they go on to community and
charity announcements where they

588
00:37:57,290 --> 00:38:02,620
talk about Blizzard is
announcing the WOW Ambassador program.

589
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:05,260
So this is designed to help
connect players and communities,

590
00:38:05,580 --> 00:38:10,620
encourage helpful, positive
player interaction. Blizzard also

591
00:38:10,620 --> 00:38:13,580
revealed new charity
partnership with Habitat for Humanity.

592
00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:17,580
A new charity pet pack
includes Rufus. Available in both

593
00:38:17,580 --> 00:38:21,580
classic and modern wow. The
pack also includes housing, decor,

594
00:38:21,580 --> 00:38:26,320
a dog house, a food bowl and
bed, and Rufus idols by building

595
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,640
things when he is not active.

596
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,920
Oh, good boy.

597
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,480
Oh, I love that so much.

598
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,800
That is neat. I have a. A
little bit. I mean, because these

599
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,800
are both very community driven
things, right? Habitat for Humanity

600
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,640
and the WOW Ambassador program.

601
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:47,200
Yep.

602
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,600
What are your thoughts on the
things that we've seen recently?

603
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,720
And I guess this, this kind of
ties housing into it too, because

604
00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:00,880
that's community in regards to
wow. Kind of leaning into the community

605
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,040
experience for players as part
of Wow's future.

606
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:13,480
Oh, yes. That's 1,000% yes. Do
that thing, you know, like no matter

607
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,400
what, in any community,
there's always going to be people

608
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,560
who are vocally toxic or
vocally just, you know, negative

609
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,730
all the time. But the people
who are actually giving you feedback,

610
00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:25,970
the people who really love
this game and continue to pay for

611
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:28,330
it on a monthly basis because
they love it and they love the community

612
00:39:28,330 --> 00:39:32,490
that it's brought them and the
life that it's brought them, whether

613
00:39:32,490 --> 00:39:36,529
it be professionally or
something else entirely. Yeah, lean

614
00:39:36,529 --> 00:39:39,570
more into the community
driven, you know, things that are

615
00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:44,010
going on. Do that because
ultimately, if you don't have a community,

616
00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:47,810
you don't have a game for an
im, you don't have. And that goes

617
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:51,050
to any genre. If you don't
have a community for it, if you don't

618
00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:55,330
have players, you don't have a
game, you know, and MMOs are incredibly

619
00:39:55,330 --> 00:39:59,770
special in that regard. And
you and I have seen it. Gosh, dude.

620
00:39:59,930 --> 00:40:04,810
Over a decade of just being
everywhere, creating. But in Warcraft

621
00:40:05,290 --> 00:40:11,410
that when we see development
teams that have a great pulse on

622
00:40:11,410 --> 00:40:15,840
the community and there's a
synergy where they're really working

623
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:21,800
together, it's a beautiful
thing to watch because you no longer

624
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,760
feel like as a community
member, you're on the outside looking

625
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,600
through the window. You feel
like you're in the house with them

626
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:35,200
in the kitchen, helping them
cook and it's just a special thing.

627
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:42,020
So yes, leaning more into that
community driven factor is absolutely.

628
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:47,940
You know, one of the things
that has opened my eyes to just how

629
00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:52,100
much World of Warcraft and
Blizzard cares about their community

630
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:57,420
has been this show. Because we
went into this knowing that we wanted

631
00:40:57,420 --> 00:41:02,060
one of our segments to be
community driven. We wanted the Heroes

632
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:05,700
call board right to highlight
the things that the community is

633
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:09,710
doing out there. And, and for
us, it's mostly the things that players

634
00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:12,230
are doing. But every once in a
while we sneak something in, some

635
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:14,750
community initiative or
something that Blizzard has partnered

636
00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:18,270
up with the community to do,
and it's opened my eyes to it, because

637
00:41:19,230 --> 00:41:24,870
if all you do is log into
World of Warcraft and play it and

638
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:31,950
don't pay attention to
Facebook groups or X or any of the

639
00:41:31,950 --> 00:41:36,330
other social media outlets or
the website, or Blizzard's website

640
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:39,490
for World of Warcraft and
their community announcements and

641
00:41:39,490 --> 00:41:41,970
news and stuff like that, if
you're not paying attention to any

642
00:41:41,970 --> 00:41:46,810
of that stuff, it's very easy
to think that they're not paying

643
00:41:46,810 --> 00:41:52,010
attention and they, they don't
care about the community. But once

644
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:58,490
you start noticing those
things, it's undeniable, yeah, that

645
00:41:58,490 --> 00:42:01,900
there is a. That there's a lot
of community outreach taking place,

646
00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:04,860
not just outside of the game,
but the things that they're doing

647
00:42:04,860 --> 00:42:09,580
inside of the game. So. And
it's also been, it's been very obvious

648
00:42:09,580 --> 00:42:17,580
to you over the past couple of
years that Blizzard has a drive and

649
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:22,820
a pointed initiative to try
and onboard new players, like the

650
00:42:22,820 --> 00:42:30,170
next generation of players
into the game. So I, I'm enjoying

651
00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:33,890
watching that whole thing take
place, but I, I absolutely believe

652
00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:37,770
in my heart that it is
undeniable that they are paying attention

653
00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:41,770
and listening to what people
say. Now, when you have a massive

654
00:42:41,770 --> 00:42:44,770
audience, as big as the, as
big as the audience is for World

655
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:51,610
of Warcraft, it can also seem
like they're not listening or, or

656
00:42:51,610 --> 00:42:56,030
making the changes that you
want, want, but they, they have a

657
00:42:56,030 --> 00:43:01,950
very difficult job in that
they have to decipher the things

658
00:43:01,950 --> 00:43:07,350
that are going to be the most
impactful for the most amount of

659
00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:10,390
people. They kind of have to
triage it out, right, and go, okay,

660
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:14,390
these people over here want
this. But that's really all we're

661
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:18,190
hearing about this. A majority
of the people want this. This is

662
00:43:18,190 --> 00:43:21,390
the direction we're headed.
And when there's so many people playing

663
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:24,550
a game and so many opinions
out there, it can be very, very hard

664
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:30,470
to see the reasons why they
decided to go in a certain direction.

665
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:30,870
Yeah.

666
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:35,150
So all I'm saying is just open
your mind a little bit to that. I

667
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:39,950
would hate to have that
responsibility to, okay, this is

668
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:42,470
what we kind of think we want
to do. We want to get player feedback

669
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:48,730
on it. So go. It's your job
now. Figure it out. Could you imagine

670
00:43:48,730 --> 00:43:52,810
that having to go through all
the social media, all the feedback,

671
00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:57,490
all the forums and figure out
what people actually want.

672
00:43:57,490 --> 00:43:58,250
That's the hard part.

673
00:43:58,250 --> 00:44:01,290
Would be crazy that that would be.

674
00:44:01,290 --> 00:44:05,770
The hard part because it. You
have to separate what is troll slash

675
00:44:06,010 --> 00:44:09,770
toxicity just for the sake of
toxicity and troll versus the people

676
00:44:09,770 --> 00:44:14,300
who are really like, they want
the game to continue to thrive and

677
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:18,020
grow and be better. And you
know, when I say better, I mean just,

678
00:44:18,020 --> 00:44:21,300
you know, just build upon
itself and, and, and continue to

679
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:26,180
succeed. And so like that is a
daunting task. Yeah, I think it's

680
00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:30,060
important to I being able to
identify who your core group is,

681
00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:34,140
who is your, who is your
audience? You know, it's no different

682
00:44:34,140 --> 00:44:38,340
than podcasters. Who's your
audience? Who are you trying to reach?

683
00:44:38,580 --> 00:44:42,300
If you try to reach everybody,
you reach nobody. Who do you really

684
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:45,180
want to reach? You know what I
mean? So it's just like I think that

685
00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:49,140
that's very much a thing also
in game development. And I don't

686
00:44:49,140 --> 00:44:52,180
envy the person that has that
job that has that, you know, really

687
00:44:52,180 --> 00:44:55,780
looking for feedback. Maybe
that's why they do close surveys,

688
00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:59,340
you know, because sometimes
we'll see surveys that pop up whether

689
00:44:59,340 --> 00:45:03,030
it's on. Wow. Like this is out
and about. But I never see it. So

690
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:05,750
I know it's not everybody's
included, you know what I mean? So

691
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:11,230
it's. Maybe that is one of
those driving factors for them. But

692
00:45:11,230 --> 00:45:18,430
yeah, overall, I love when you
can find a way to healthy, healthily

693
00:45:18,509 --> 00:45:24,030
leave, lean into community and
do it in a, in a way that's beneficial

694
00:45:24,030 --> 00:45:26,350
for both the game and the
community itself because then everyone

695
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:28,560
just grows closer together.
It's an awesome experience. It's

696
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,720
an awesome time. So next up on
the midnight pre patch, we've got

697
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:35,080
Blizzard confirmed the
Twilight Ascension pre patch event

698
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,800
will run until launch. So this
includes the Rares, the World Quest,

699
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,360
the bosses which we've been
doing. The rewards include mounts,

700
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,160
pets, Transmog housing, decor.
You guys all know if you've been

701
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,000
able to be in there, all the
stuff is there. And it's going to

702
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,920
run until launch, so there's
going to be additional pre patch

703
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,560
features as well, which are
already out. You guys have been a

704
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,060
part of this too. So the. The
Devour Demon Hunter, Void Elf demon

705
00:45:57,060 --> 00:46:02,060
hunters, transmog 2.0, updated
beginner PvP format, and then the

706
00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:07,380
return of Winds of Mysterious
Fortune, which let me tell you, I

707
00:46:07,380 --> 00:46:12,660
used that thing over the past
week when I was leveling a different

708
00:46:12,660 --> 00:46:19,420
Hunter because of RP reasons.
I needed to get a break from my Kul

709
00:46:19,420 --> 00:46:23,070
Tiran and I wanted the human
Hunter And I wanted to get him up

710
00:46:23,070 --> 00:46:28,710
and get him ready. And let me
tell you, that buff now combined

711
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:32,110
with, you know, if you were
leveling the past weekly as we're

712
00:46:32,110 --> 00:46:34,270
recording this, if you're
leveling and you're using the Darkmoon

713
00:46:34,270 --> 00:46:43,550
Fairy XP and you're using the
Timeways XP from the. The Dungeons,

714
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:50,040
Time Walking Dungeons and any
kind of XP pots that you get, it's

715
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,480
ridiculous.

716
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:59,040
Yes. And I started to feel it
a little bit because I also am leveling

717
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,840
a brand new hunter. It's
probably my 10th hunter, which is

718
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:03,640
crazy.

719
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:04,280
I love it.

720
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:09,080
But I wanted to try survival,
so I'm so anyway, yeah, not going

721
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,560
to get into it, but I'm really
enjoying survival. It's super fun.

722
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,180
Okay. I am. I'm actively
slowing that down as much as possible.

723
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:22,540
I'm not using those potions.
This is the first time that I have

724
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:26,140
been able to experience the
winds of mysterious fortune. And

725
00:47:26,140 --> 00:47:31,780
it's really cool. Yeah, it's
really cool. You get little doses

726
00:47:31,780 --> 00:47:36,500
of dopamine, like every fifth
or sixth mob you kill, you get like

727
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:43,290
a satchel with goodies in it.
And it's fun. All kinds of like,

728
00:47:43,290 --> 00:47:47,890
consumables. And I think one
of the, the first kill, my first

729
00:47:47,890 --> 00:47:54,130
kill in Darnassus, right on
my, on my night elf, I got a. I got

730
00:47:54,130 --> 00:48:01,370
a purple drop, like a purple
pouch bag thing that had a whole

731
00:48:01,370 --> 00:48:03,610
bunch of stuff in it. And one
of the things was Noggin Fogger's

732
00:48:03,610 --> 00:48:08,840
Elixir. And I was like, no
way. Like, how iconic is that for

733
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,680
World of Warcraft to get
Noggin Fogger's Elixir as your first

734
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:13,840
drop?

735
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:14,280
Yeah.

736
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,960
Not that it's hard. It's not
hard to get, but it was, it's just.

737
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,640
It's very iconic nostalgic to
get something like that. Yeah, very

738
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,080
much so. And it was, it was
super cool. So I am. I'm very much

739
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,600
enjoying the things that you
get. You definitely get a decent

740
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,000
amount of gear. You don't. So
you're not really having to worry

741
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,460
too, too much about gear. And
I, I've already come up with. With

742
00:48:37,460 --> 00:48:40,580
the thought in at least when
I'm leveling characters anymore,

743
00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:43,780
I don't really use my
heirlooms and I have like the full.

744
00:48:43,860 --> 00:48:47,340
All my heirlooms are
completely maxed out from over the

745
00:48:47,340 --> 00:48:51,300
years and I don't really want
to use them anymore. I just. I kind

746
00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:54,980
of want a little bit more of
that organic experience when I level.

747
00:48:55,140 --> 00:48:58,900
So as an example, I haven't
done a single dungeon Yet I think

748
00:48:58,900 --> 00:49:05,740
he's level 17. Not a single
dungeon. And I'm just. I'm taking

749
00:49:05,740 --> 00:49:11,780
my time 100 percenting the
night elf starter zone in Teldrassil,

750
00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:16,780
Shadow Gland Darnassus area.
And it's really a lot of fun.

751
00:49:16,780 --> 00:49:18,540
Yeah, it's.

752
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:22,700
It's super fun. I'm kind of
role playing him as I go. And, you

753
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:27,090
know, he's. He's a fledgling.
He's a fledgling scout, so he's working

754
00:49:27,090 --> 00:49:30,450
with the Sentinels who are
there. And as we know, the Sentinels

755
00:49:30,450 --> 00:49:36,810
are all females, so he feels
very subpar to all of these fantastic

756
00:49:36,810 --> 00:49:42,530
females. And so he does a lot
of very respectful bowing and kneeling

757
00:49:42,530 --> 00:49:47,890
and saluting. I'm such a dork.
And I don't care.

758
00:49:47,890 --> 00:49:49,890
No, I love it. I love it. I
think it's great.

759
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:51,810
I mean, so much fun.

760
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:52,840
It is.

761
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,080
Just taking my time.

762
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:54,720
Yeah.

763
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,600
I'm like, I don't even know
where I'm going to go next. I don't

764
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,160
have any quests. I ran out of
quests. So now I'm just picking flowers

765
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,400
and skinning cats. That's
pretty much all I'm doing right now.

766
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:12,080
But I know it's terrible, but
Skill up, yo. Oh. So, I mean, I think,

767
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,200
you know, things like this
help the new player experience and

768
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:22,260
things like this help the old
man player experience. Because I'm.

769
00:50:22,260 --> 00:50:27,300
Again, I've been through this
zone to level a new character so

770
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:32,100
many times. It's a rite of
passage for my brand new dark elf,

771
00:50:32,420 --> 00:50:37,020
dark Elven characters to just
go through this zone. But every time

772
00:50:37,020 --> 00:50:41,220
I do it, I absolutely love it.
And I will say this. I mentioned

773
00:50:41,220 --> 00:50:45,630
this to you on the phone
yesterday. I am blown away at how

774
00:50:45,630 --> 00:50:47,870
many new players are in the zone.

775
00:50:48,030 --> 00:50:50,310
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

776
00:50:50,310 --> 00:50:55,630
Dude. I went to. What's the
Barrow called? Bane something Barrow.

777
00:50:56,910 --> 00:51:01,430
Anyway, I was doing the quest
lines in there and I was fighting

778
00:51:01,430 --> 00:51:04,510
for mobs. There were people
all over the place. And I was like,

779
00:51:04,510 --> 00:51:06,510
where did you come from?

780
00:51:06,830 --> 00:51:09,230
Oh, everyone's leveling right
now. Yeah, there's.

781
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:10,830
There's a bunch of people in
the cities.

782
00:51:10,830 --> 00:51:11,310
Yeah.

783
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:14,110
You know, even in the, like,
Ruthville Village, there's a bunch

784
00:51:14,110 --> 00:51:16,230
of people in there just kind
of running around doing their thing.

785
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:18,990
They're. They're running
around buffing everybody and doing

786
00:51:18,990 --> 00:51:22,670
all these community things.
And I'm just going, the F is happening.

787
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:26,430
It's normally dead. There's
nobody here. Yeah, there's a bunch

788
00:51:26,430 --> 00:51:28,350
of people there. So it's a
good sign, dude.

789
00:51:28,350 --> 00:51:31,150
Yeah. Yeah, it really is. It's
fun. It's healthy. It's a good time

790
00:51:31,150 --> 00:51:33,830
to. To be leveling anything
trying. Like now's the best time

791
00:51:33,830 --> 00:51:37,630
to try out something. Like
ultimately, I will always tell you

792
00:51:37,630 --> 00:51:41,290
there's a class I always will
look at, but I know I'll never really

793
00:51:41,290 --> 00:51:45,530
play. But it always intrigues
me. Always does. I'll never really

794
00:51:45,530 --> 00:51:49,930
play it. Death knight. Every
time. I always have my eyes on that

795
00:51:49,930 --> 00:51:53,370
class at some point or another
because it totally reminds me personally

796
00:51:53,370 --> 00:51:57,290
of a sith juggernaut from Star
wars, the Old Republic. That's the

797
00:51:57,290 --> 00:52:01,130
vibe. Every time. So it's. My
eyes are always looking at it, but

798
00:52:01,130 --> 00:52:04,410
I'm like. I'm no. Like, it's
just not. It's not my style, you

799
00:52:04,410 --> 00:52:04,690
know?

800
00:52:05,980 --> 00:52:09,300
Yeah, but which is funny
because the death knight is completely

801
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:12,500
the opposite of a paladin,
which is pretty much the way you

802
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:13,100
live your life.

803
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:13,700
I know.

804
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:17,020
Assume from. Aside from
actually vanquishing evil.

805
00:52:17,340 --> 00:52:17,980
Evil.

806
00:52:17,980 --> 00:52:19,820
You know, Evil.

807
00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:20,940
Evil.

808
00:52:21,740 --> 00:52:28,460
Evil afoot. Oh, man, we are
getting off the rails.

809
00:52:28,460 --> 00:52:29,940
That's okay. We'll get right
back on.

810
00:52:29,940 --> 00:52:31,820
So anyways, might be our three
hour show.

811
00:52:31,820 --> 00:52:34,090
This maybe you know what
you're getting a meteor show. That

812
00:52:34,090 --> 00:52:38,330
is for sure. So what's coming
at launch? So we're looking at level

813
00:52:38,330 --> 00:52:41,170
cap to 90. We know a lot of
the stuff. We're. We all know, but

814
00:52:41,170 --> 00:52:44,290
we're gonna chat about it
anyway. Eight new dungeons, 11 new

815
00:52:44,290 --> 00:52:50,410
delves, new open world system
prey. Oh, that's the one. I'm excited

816
00:52:50,410 --> 00:52:51,570
for that one, bro.

817
00:52:53,970 --> 00:52:55,850
Have a private moment. Live on
the edge.

818
00:52:55,850 --> 00:52:57,490
Why did you make a moment out
of that?

819
00:52:57,730 --> 00:53:04,880
Why did you pick up a. Because
my mind's in the gutter out of everything

820
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,000
in this episode.

821
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,680
Oh, you're such a. I can't
even say that on the air.

822
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,800
As you get older, your
inhibitions and your filter disappear.

823
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:18,840
Oh, I'm crying.

824
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:19,520
Live with it.

825
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,760
Oh, crying. Oh, gosh. So then
we have new epic battleground that

826
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:29,410
slayers rise. And then you
have the arc and Tina, which I don't

827
00:53:29,410 --> 00:53:30,970
think is getting talked about
very much.

828
00:53:31,530 --> 00:53:34,010
I forgot about the arcane dude.

829
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:40,330
So did I. Yeah. So tavern
focused on storytelling. I'm sorry?

830
00:53:40,330 --> 00:53:44,410
It's a tavern focused on
storytelling content. So you're gonna

831
00:53:44,410 --> 00:53:49,050
be able to go interact with
NPCs there and take up like little

832
00:53:49,050 --> 00:53:53,250
quests and stuff from them.
Oh, dude. That you want to talk about

833
00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:57,210
getting into your character
and when you pick your main like

834
00:53:57,210 --> 00:54:00,370
a good little lad and pick
hunter. And we can be hunter bros.

835
00:54:00,770 --> 00:54:02,930
Listen to you, you evil temptress.

836
00:54:03,010 --> 00:54:06,330
And you Know what? We can go
around the world together in the

837
00:54:06,330 --> 00:54:09,410
forests. My hand. My arms are
spread out right now for everyone

838
00:54:09,410 --> 00:54:10,947
who's not watching, all our
patrons who are watching.

839
00:54:10,947 --> 00:54:11,168
For a one time fee of 5,000
gold, I will hold your hand.

840
00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:19,910
I have a question.

841
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:22,870
Oh, my. What's your question?

842
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:27,350
I said it's out of the
question. You may not.

843
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:32,310
I am crying. We are laughing.

844
00:54:32,310 --> 00:54:32,950
Oh, my God.

845
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:35,230
Oh, gosh. All right. So
anyway, season one will begin a few

846
00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:39,670
weeks after launch. And this
includes the five. Nope, sorry. Six

847
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:45,110
boss raid, the void spire, a
single boss raid, dream rift, four

848
00:54:45,110 --> 00:54:49,390
new world bosses, a new mythic
plus pool, four new four returning

849
00:54:49,390 --> 00:54:54,790
dungeons, and a new PvP in
Delve season a few weeks later, March

850
00:54:55,110 --> 00:55:01,510
on Quel Danas, a two boss raid
will be released. So let me ask you

851
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:05,430
this. How do you. What do you
think about this launch lineup going

852
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:07,270
into midnight versus other expansions?

853
00:55:07,590 --> 00:55:11,480
I think Argentina is going to
be Lion's Pride light. That's what

854
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:11,920
I think.

855
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:12,720
Think so?

856
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,120
Oh, I think it's gonna be.
It's gonna be a great spot. I. I

857
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,040
truly do. I think it's
stacked, bro. This. This launch lineup

858
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:25,400
is. Is really big. And it's.
Aside from all the other things,

859
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,800
like, right. New level cap.
Okay, that happens all the time.

860
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:29,680
Yeah, sure.

861
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:38,380
But eight new dungeons and 11,
that's new delves.

862
00:55:38,940 --> 00:55:39,420
Yeah.

863
00:55:39,660 --> 00:55:43,900
Yeah, dude, I think that's a
pretty good indicator that delves

864
00:55:43,980 --> 00:55:45,820
were a grand slam.

865
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:46,380
Yeah.

866
00:55:46,780 --> 00:55:50,540
Yeah, they were with the last
expansion. Yes. I personally love

867
00:55:50,540 --> 00:55:54,220
delves. I cannot wait to do 11
new ones. I think they're going to

868
00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:57,660
be super cool. I hope they
don't do any underwater ones. I don't

869
00:55:57,660 --> 00:55:58,780
think those were super popular.

870
00:55:58,860 --> 00:55:59,660
I don't think they are.

871
00:55:59,660 --> 00:56:07,030
The new system with prey is
going to be epic. And I can foresee

872
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:10,310
me running that with my
hunter. Maybe not my druid, but I

873
00:56:10,310 --> 00:56:13,190
don't think you have a choice.
I think if you opt into the system.

874
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:14,710
Right. You're just.

875
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:17,990
You're on your character. That
is. So it makes sense for you to

876
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:22,150
be playing a hunter as you're
hunting your prey. Just saying.

877
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:22,990
You're nasty.

878
00:56:22,990 --> 00:56:23,910
Throwing that out there.

879
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:28,580
You're just, you know, my love
for the druid, you are just nasty.

880
00:56:28,580 --> 00:56:32,940
Well, in this house, we play
hunter and alliance. This. Right.

881
00:56:33,260 --> 00:56:37,020
This. Shut up. No, I don't
want to hear.

882
00:56:37,020 --> 00:56:39,020
See how quick he wants to
change the subject?

883
00:56:39,180 --> 00:56:44,420
All right, so moving on. So
for player housing updates. Now,

884
00:56:44,420 --> 00:56:48,260
this is a big deal. Okay. It's
a big deal. Blizzard confirmed they

885
00:56:48,260 --> 00:56:53,420
are Actively working on
allowing player pets inside houses.

886
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:54,120
Hello.

887
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:58,600
We've been wanting that for a
while. Hitching mounts outside, which.

888
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,920
Yeah, I mean we're getting a
taste of that with the griffin right

889
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,560
now with the griffin nest. It
was so freaking cool. I went to someone's

890
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,080
house the other day. They had
two griffins outside. One because

891
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,280
they, they're one of the role
players and they're husband and wife

892
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,120
and they've got their, their.
It's like co griffins. I'm like,

893
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:17,640
that's awesome. And then
you've got the copy paste features

894
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,080
for decor placement.

895
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:25,100
Dude, big deal. It's a big
deal. I don't mean big deal. I mean

896
00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:25,860
that's a big deal.

897
00:57:25,860 --> 00:57:30,100
Yeah, yeah. So they were
talking about like you make a grand

898
00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:32,020
piano with a bunch of
different pieces.

899
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:32,900
Yeah.

900
00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:36,580
You're now going to be able to
copy and paste those things like

901
00:57:36,580 --> 00:57:39,140
bigger things, which is phenomenal.

902
00:57:39,140 --> 00:57:44,060
I wonder. I ran into an issue.
I ran into a little bit of an issue.

903
00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:48,320
Okay. And I'm not like
Blizzard devs. If any of you are

904
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,080
listening, they're not
listening. If you were listening,

905
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,080
don't cancel my account.
Because I'm saying this because you're

906
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,640
adding so much cool stuff to
the game, but ran into an issue where

907
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,920
I changed. What'd you call me?

908
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,320
I said don't cancel my
account. Listen to you.

909
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:04,440
Oh, okay.

910
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,440
Called you a filthy hunter is
what I called you.

911
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:17,640
Jackass. Sorry. Okay.
Sidetracked. Ran to an issue changing

912
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:23,960
my house from the Elwynn
Forest style, Stormwind style, Elwynn

913
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,560
Forest style to the night elf
style. All my stuff on the outside

914
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:34,320
was like foogs'd up and I had
to put it all away and I haven't

915
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:40,280
yet been back to put it all
back. That seems like a heavy lift,

916
00:58:40,740 --> 00:58:43,140
does it not? I mean, just
between you and me, does that seem

917
00:58:43,140 --> 00:58:46,900
like too much of a heavy lift
to say? Can you put this back on

918
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:47,700
the new house?

919
00:58:49,140 --> 00:58:52,620
It seems like you just need to
go to your house and just move stuff

920
00:58:52,620 --> 00:58:52,900
around.

921
00:58:53,780 --> 00:58:57,300
You're calling me lazy, but
you're probably right. Okay.

922
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:00,540
I mean like I get, I get what
you're saying though. But honestly,

923
00:59:00,540 --> 00:59:04,460
look at it from a technical
standpoint. Like the shaping of the

924
00:59:04,460 --> 00:59:10,260
night elf features is so
vastly more circular, you know, and

925
00:59:10,260 --> 00:59:13,860
like the thing, the edges and
the like the. Where things come to

926
00:59:13,860 --> 00:59:16,580
a point, it's much more
exaggerated like going upward, you

927
00:59:16,580 --> 00:59:20,620
know, like diagonally and like
it just, it doesn't have the hard

928
00:59:20,860 --> 00:59:22,299
lines that some of the.

929
00:59:22,299 --> 00:59:24,700
You could just say ornate and
everybody would get it?

930
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:25,180
Okay.

931
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:35,980
Oh, man. It's almost like we
freaking snorted a line of helium.

932
00:59:38,860 --> 00:59:42,060
You could just, you know, not
be an idiot. Just say ornate. That'd

933
00:59:42,060 --> 00:59:42,460
be great.

934
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:46,060
Did you go to the dentist
right before this episode? We're

935
00:59:46,060 --> 00:59:46,660
all giggly.

936
00:59:46,660 --> 00:59:50,620
Oh, man, you would think so,
right? Gosh, one heck of an episode

937
00:59:50,940 --> 00:59:55,060
anyway, so. Yeah, I. I get it.
Why? It's not. It just sounds like

938
00:59:55,060 --> 00:59:57,940
to me you just need to man up
and do it. So there's that. Next

939
00:59:57,940 --> 01:00:01,760
up, we've got importance
import export codes that are coming

940
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:06,520
to allow sharing. Full house
designs. Interior and exterior decor

941
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,240
limits will continue to
increase over time. And Blizzard

942
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:14,560
explicitly told players to
keep giving feedback and that they

943
01:00:14,879 --> 01:00:19,200
are listening. All right, so
we're gonna keep moving forward here

944
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:24,680
they step into Midnight Patch
Roadmap. This is where we're kind

945
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,240
of looking at for the next year.

946
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:27,280
And we.

947
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:33,200
We were like Dumb and Dumber
Samsonite way off on our. This last

948
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,400
week, so.

949
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:35,840
Oh, of what they were going to cover.

950
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:36,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

951
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,560
So the Tinker is not in here?

952
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:48,520
No, it's not it. Ian. Where's
my Tinkerer? Oh, gosh. All right,

953
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,150
so Midnight patch roadmap
patch 12.0.5. You're going to see

954
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:55,900
the void assaults coming
across the world. A prop hunt style

955
01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:59,940
activity called Decor Duel,
which is a 5v5. One team disguises

956
01:00:59,940 --> 01:01:05,340
as props, the other team hunts
them. That is a game mode in Call

957
01:01:05,340 --> 01:01:07,900
of Duty and I can't wait to do
it in Warcraft.

958
01:01:09,180 --> 01:01:12,260
What, like where you're
wearing like a ghillie suit?

959
01:01:12,260 --> 01:01:16,900
No, you are legit a prop. So
you may legit look like a tea. A

960
01:01:16,900 --> 01:01:19,950
tea kettle. And you have to
position yourself in the world and

961
01:01:19,950 --> 01:01:22,590
then people have to come find
you and figure out if it's a real

962
01:01:22,590 --> 01:01:23,590
proper or if it's you.

963
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:29,670
So is this is like a different
game mode, kind of like plunderstorm

964
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:30,230
type thing?

965
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:32,550
It is some kind of cute thing,
it looks like.

966
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:37,790
How fun is this? I can't wait
to see the rewards for this because

967
01:01:37,790 --> 01:01:39,950
you. You and I will crush
something like this.

968
01:01:39,950 --> 01:01:41,030
Oh, we'll go hard.

969
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:42,950
We sat there 100% this.

970
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:45,390
Remember when we sat there and
beat the crap out of each other for

971
01:01:45,390 --> 01:01:49,270
the. For the. What was that
event when we were dressed up as

972
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:52,830
Day of the Dead? Yeah, yeah,
we did.

973
01:01:52,830 --> 01:01:54,710
We did that in the middle of Stormwind.

974
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:55,430
Was awesome.

975
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:58,550
It was a crowd. People were
throwing crap at us. It was a thing.

976
01:01:59,990 --> 01:02:02,870
Next patch, you got a new
single boss raid, which we already

977
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:06,350
covered. And then the
following patch, 12.1 you're looking

978
01:02:06,350 --> 01:02:10,070
at new zone raid, dungeons,
delves, mythic plus everything we

979
01:02:10,070 --> 01:02:14,170
just said. Right. And then it
continues on into the big announcement

980
01:02:15,050 --> 01:02:19,250
coming in Patch 12.1.5, which
all those, like, these are all just

981
01:02:19,250 --> 01:02:21,490
numbers even to me, right? To
everyone who's listening to like,

982
01:02:21,490 --> 01:02:25,770
we totally get it. However,
just know it's coming. Labyrinths,

983
01:02:26,490 --> 01:02:33,450
large, sprawling delve style
content inspired by mega dungeons

984
01:02:34,010 --> 01:02:38,170
can be completed all at once
or at your own pace.

985
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:39,280
Whoa.

986
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,400
And that image that they
showed for it was massive, like winged.

987
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,120
Is this solo content?

988
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,440
Oh, yeah. Yep.

989
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,440
Can you do this content with friends?

990
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,680
Yes, yes. It's. It's a delve,
but it's a lot. It's just a big,

991
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:56,720
big deal.

992
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:57,760
Okay.

993
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:58,680
Labyrinth.

994
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,680
Yeah, that's gonna be, that's
gonna be popular.

995
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:07,190
Yeah. Yeah, that's, you know.
Yeah. I'm gonna save this for next

996
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:09,590
week, talking about what I
learned in War Within. But I tell

997
01:03:09,590 --> 01:03:12,550
you what, there's one thing I
know I for sure want to be doing

998
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:15,310
in Midnight. It's delves. And
I want to do them with you. I want

999
01:03:15,310 --> 01:03:18,070
to do them with our friends as
like, I want to clear everything,

1000
01:03:18,070 --> 01:03:22,030
get everything we can every
season, every delve season, you know,

1001
01:03:22,030 --> 01:03:25,110
every new season. Just
because, gosh, not only is it fun,

1002
01:03:25,110 --> 01:03:27,990
but then when you get to
labyrinths and you look at just how

1003
01:03:28,070 --> 01:03:33,280
massive it looks, it's huge.
I'm trying to find the image in the

1004
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,960
video while we're talking, but
it's just. There it is. It's just

1005
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:44,280
huge. So, yeah, it's gonna be
a win all around. What do you, what

1006
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:45,440
do you think of something like that?

1007
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:51,880
Any content is more content
for my box of content. So I'm, I'm

1008
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,920
looking forward to this. This
one really does resonate with me

1009
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,150
though, because I have always,
always been a dungeon delver. I love

1010
01:03:58,790 --> 01:04:02,670
that type of stuff. And if
you're going to give me a larger

1011
01:04:02,670 --> 01:04:08,070
style dungeon that I can do
solo and I can decide to take a wing

1012
01:04:08,070 --> 01:04:14,030
a knight and come back to it,
it saves to your character like a

1013
01:04:14,030 --> 01:04:14,790
raid does.

1014
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:17,270
Is that. I don't know if it does.

1015
01:04:18,310 --> 01:04:21,830
I'm hoping that it does that.
That's. You see, it says can be completed

1016
01:04:21,830 --> 01:04:26,170
all at once or at your own
pace. Which indicates to me it will.

1017
01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:28,170
The instance will save to your character.

1018
01:04:28,250 --> 01:04:33,130
Now that would be interesting.
Yeah. I posted this. This is. Yeah.

1019
01:04:33,130 --> 01:04:38,330
Oh. Oh, yeah. It's huge. It's
just huge. So like.

1020
01:04:38,330 --> 01:04:38,770
Yeah.

1021
01:04:38,770 --> 01:04:43,290
And we only see like the
blueprint of it. Right. Like, I can't

1022
01:04:43,610 --> 01:04:46,450
honestly, it looks like Only
the bottom right side is starting

1023
01:04:46,450 --> 01:04:52,300
to get some visual assets
placed, like textures. But the rest

1024
01:04:52,300 --> 01:04:54,620
of it looks like it's just,
you know, like, still in prototype.

1025
01:04:54,620 --> 01:04:58,460
I can't wait to see what that
looks like finished out. That's huge.

1026
01:04:58,460 --> 01:05:01,620
It looks like the size of iron
forge, to be honest with you.

1027
01:05:02,260 --> 01:05:05,140
You know, it reminds me of.
Honestly, looking at that, it reminds

1028
01:05:05,140 --> 01:05:06,500
me of going to the mall with
my wife.

1029
01:05:09,140 --> 01:05:10,060
Oh, that's.

1030
01:05:10,060 --> 01:05:13,540
Yeah. If you look at that,
like three, the area all the way

1031
01:05:13,540 --> 01:05:16,100
over to the right, that could
be the parking lot. And just start

1032
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:16,500
there.

1033
01:05:16,660 --> 01:05:17,220
Okay.

1034
01:05:17,730 --> 01:05:21,210
Then you hit. You hit
basically everything. Like there's

1035
01:05:21,210 --> 01:05:26,250
Bloomingdale's and then that's
definitely entrance 1A is definitely

1036
01:05:26,250 --> 01:05:28,370
the food. No, the central
chambers. The food court.

1037
01:05:28,450 --> 01:05:31,490
Oh, that makes sense. Your
favorite store is right there. You're.

1038
01:05:31,490 --> 01:05:33,970
I bet you're an Abbey. You're
an Abercrombie and Fitch guy, aren't

1039
01:05:33,970 --> 01:05:37,170
you? Even your. At your ripe,
ripe middle age.

1040
01:05:37,730 --> 01:05:39,570
No, I'm more of a hot Topic dude.

1041
01:05:39,730 --> 01:05:40,530
He's lying.

1042
01:05:40,930 --> 01:05:42,370
Not a Pacsum guy either.

1043
01:05:43,410 --> 01:05:46,010
No, not really. Maybe for my
board shorts.

1044
01:05:46,010 --> 01:05:46,370
Yeah.

1045
01:05:47,330 --> 01:05:48,570
Wear around the house all the time.

1046
01:05:48,570 --> 01:05:51,650
But those borders betray. You
say that I'm more of a.

1047
01:05:51,890 --> 01:05:58,410
I'm more of a Levi's 507 cuff
jeans and. And Chucks and.

1048
01:05:58,410 --> 01:05:58,850
Yeah.

1049
01:05:58,930 --> 01:06:01,570
A T shirt. And even though I
can't, I don't slick my hair back

1050
01:06:01,650 --> 01:06:05,210
because I can't. Right. So
there's that.

1051
01:06:05,210 --> 01:06:09,080
We're just a little more
aerodynamic. All right. So anyway,

1052
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,160
labyrinths. We can look
forward to that. And then looking

1053
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:15,200
ahead, this is kind of the
last part of all this. Blizzcon Confirmed,

1054
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,600
which we are new is a thing.
And they described it as a look at

1055
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:25,040
the next 20 years of Warcraft,
dude. We're going to be there and

1056
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:29,640
we get to enjoy this. I can't
freaking wait to be there, bro.

1057
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,000
I'll be dead in 20 years.
They're going to keep going.

1058
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,720
You were living to be. You're
living to be 100 baby talk like that,

1059
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:36,560
smack you in the face.

1060
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:37,680
Dead in 20 years.

1061
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,800
So I can't wait to go and see
this live. Like, the idea of talking

1062
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:48,840
about the next 20 years of
world of Warcraft just sounds incredibly

1063
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:49,120
special.

1064
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,760
It does. I think for me, when
you. When you look at their planning,

1065
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:58,240
the fact they're planning for
the next 20 years of Warcraft is

1066
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:04,090
an incredible way to look at
this. I think we kind of. We touched

1067
01:07:04,090 --> 01:07:07,330
on it, I think last week or
the week before, we touched on. You're

1068
01:07:07,330 --> 01:07:10,730
watching World of Warcraft 2
happen in front of you because the

1069
01:07:10,730 --> 01:07:14,330
game is going to be there.
What's going to happen is the evolution

1070
01:07:14,410 --> 01:07:17,730
of the game and we've already
seen that happen for the last 21

1071
01:07:17,730 --> 01:07:18,970
years. The game has evolved.

1072
01:07:19,210 --> 01:07:19,650
Yeah.

1073
01:07:19,650 --> 01:07:27,960
But I 100% see, you know,
possibly an engine change over the

1074
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:28,440
next 20.

1075
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:29,480
Oh, wow. Really?

1076
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,840
Oh yeah. I mean you wouldn't,
you would think that they would change

1077
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:38,400
the engine between now and
when I'm effing 70 years old, they

1078
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,200
would probably change the engine.

1079
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:41,720
I don't know. Do they?

1080
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:46,360
Maybe they don't need to. You
know, I think the game looks fantastic

1081
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:50,760
as long as they continue
revamping areas. Maybe you're right.

1082
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,280
Maybe I'm the dumb, dumb face.

1083
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,810
No, I'm just like. Do you
think they would, like. I don't know.

1084
01:07:55,890 --> 01:07:59,250
I don't know that they would.
I don't know that they won't. I don't

1085
01:07:59,250 --> 01:08:02,850
know that they would either.
I'm kind of indifferent, but yeah,

1086
01:08:02,850 --> 01:08:06,410
I tell you, there's a lot of
things on that table, you know, that

1087
01:08:06,410 --> 01:08:09,450
we could do that they could
do. And I look forward to seeing

1088
01:08:09,450 --> 01:08:13,970
it, that's for sure. And then
finally they finished it with Azeroth

1089
01:08:13,970 --> 01:08:19,410
is still home. They say
adventure may call, but now it all

1090
01:08:19,930 --> 01:08:25,410
also calls us back home. And
they showed a trailer that is kind

1091
01:08:25,410 --> 01:08:31,210
of the so with. It reminds me
of the alliance. It's when they teased

1092
01:08:31,370 --> 01:08:34,890
housing. It was kind of
alliance esque, right? It was a human,

1093
01:08:35,130 --> 01:08:38,370
I believe it was human, walked
in, sat down, put his sword and all

1094
01:08:38,370 --> 01:08:41,850
that stuff. Chilled out.
Right. And we got to see a rogue,

1095
01:08:41,850 --> 01:08:47,220
a blood elf rogue, which was
adorable. Getting her loot, her decor.

1096
01:08:47,860 --> 01:08:51,940
And then we proceeded to watch
what was hands down one of the most

1097
01:08:51,940 --> 01:08:56,340
beautiful cinematics I have
seen from them since the War within

1098
01:08:56,420 --> 01:09:01,100
was announced. And I tell you,
I watched it and I couldn't help

1099
01:09:01,100 --> 01:09:06,020
but think, I wish this was a
Netflix series. This is stunning.

1100
01:09:06,660 --> 01:09:08,100
Just stunning.

1101
01:09:08,340 --> 01:09:08,740
Stop.

1102
01:09:09,540 --> 01:09:12,139
Tell me that wouldn't. I mean,
I'm watching it right now while we're

1103
01:09:12,139 --> 01:09:18,619
doing this. It's just perfect.
Just perfect. It's like arcane, but

1104
01:09:18,619 --> 01:09:22,259
the world we love, you know,
like that. That we, we play in and

1105
01:09:22,259 --> 01:09:24,259
adore. Oh yeah.

1106
01:09:24,259 --> 01:09:28,499
There's no doubt that they
have over the years, they have 100%

1107
01:09:28,499 --> 01:09:30,779
stepped up their presentation value.

1108
01:09:30,939 --> 01:09:31,499
Yeah.

1109
01:09:31,819 --> 01:09:36,899
On the cinematics and you. I
think you're right. I think this

1110
01:09:36,899 --> 01:09:42,400
style, you look at this style
and it reminds me a lot of the League

1111
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:43,800
of Legends series. Arcane.

1112
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:44,440
Oh yeah.

1113
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:51,400
Which is lights out. I Mean,
that series is. And I'm not a huge

1114
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,400
fan of the game League of
Legends, but you want to talk about

1115
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:59,640
some really amazing lore, that
game definitely has it and I see

1116
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:03,480
this style being very
reminiscent of that and oh my gosh,

1117
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:08,250
would I absolutely gush over.
Over some type of a World of Warcraft

1118
01:10:08,250 --> 01:10:12,730
series. I don't care what
story you tell, but it would be a

1119
01:10:12,730 --> 01:10:18,370
win, 100% a win for our
community. And. And again, I'm. I'm

1120
01:10:18,450 --> 01:10:23,770
not again. But I'm very glad
that they chose to do the Horde on

1121
01:10:23,770 --> 01:10:24,170
this one.

1122
01:10:24,170 --> 01:10:24,930
Yeah, me too.

1123
01:10:25,010 --> 01:10:27,650
You know, because I do. I feel
like. And I'm an Alliance player,

1124
01:10:27,650 --> 01:10:31,700
but I feel very much like the
alliance has gotten a lot, lot of

1125
01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:36,900
love in the last couple of
expansions. So I, I really. I'd like

1126
01:10:36,900 --> 01:10:39,740
to see some love for the Horde
in here.

1127
01:10:39,900 --> 01:10:40,660
Yeah, definitely.

1128
01:10:40,660 --> 01:10:44,460
Even though I still cringe
when people say for the Horde, for

1129
01:10:44,460 --> 01:10:45,340
the Alliance.

1130
01:10:45,980 --> 01:10:49,220
I love that. I love that that
whole faction divide like that that

1131
01:10:49,220 --> 01:10:52,260
faction pride thing. It's just
like going back to what you were

1132
01:10:52,260 --> 01:10:55,140
saying about just like the
aesthetic of this. Like this right

1133
01:10:55,140 --> 01:11:00,270
here to me is Warcraft. Like
this style of animation on these

1134
01:11:00,270 --> 01:11:04,750
trailers, like, it just has so
much heart. Like. And even though

1135
01:11:04,750 --> 01:11:08,310
I'm alliance at heart, I
couldn't help but love and adore

1136
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:12,110
the blood elf. I couldn't help
but love and adore the orcs that

1137
01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:14,790
were just like truffle
shuffling across and they were just.

1138
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:17,950
It was such a comical moment.
There's so much heart. It's just

1139
01:11:17,950 --> 01:11:22,900
so good. And it's just like
I'm so glad they. Everything you

1140
01:11:22,900 --> 01:11:26,180
just said. Yes. I'm so glad
they chose Horde. I'm so glad they

1141
01:11:26,180 --> 01:11:30,820
did it this way because it
just felt so homey and just. My goodness,

1142
01:11:30,820 --> 01:11:33,180
it's beautiful. Just beautiful.

1143
01:11:33,260 --> 01:11:37,500
I'm watching it now too, as.
As we speak and you know, they just

1144
01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:42,620
nailed the art style. And I
love her. I wonder if she's going

1145
01:11:42,620 --> 01:11:45,740
to be recurrent because she's
pretty fantastic as a character.

1146
01:11:45,740 --> 01:11:49,100
Yeah, just that genuine little
squee that she gives when she gets

1147
01:11:49,100 --> 01:11:52,730
her decor and she's so
excited. Oh, my favorite part, the

1148
01:11:52,730 --> 01:11:54,970
audio part, when she like
poofs out and you hear it just like

1149
01:11:54,970 --> 01:11:58,170
echo out in the world. And
then she came back. Yeah, I love

1150
01:11:58,170 --> 01:11:58,770
it so much.

1151
01:11:58,770 --> 01:12:00,530
Yeah, I play Lil Ozzie.

1152
01:12:00,530 --> 01:12:01,650
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1153
01:12:01,730 --> 01:12:02,690
That's pretty cool.

1154
01:12:03,330 --> 01:12:09,330
All right, folks. Well, that
is our roundup from State of the

1155
01:12:09,410 --> 01:12:12,730
Great Warcrafts in the great
world of Azeroth that we all Love

1156
01:12:12,730 --> 01:12:16,290
and adore. And now, my
friends, it is time to get snarky.

1157
01:12:22,810 --> 01:12:31,450
Snark online. So juicy.

1158
01:12:33,130 --> 01:12:36,410
You know, people still comment
on that. Like, that's. That's one

1159
01:12:36,410 --> 01:12:39,810
of the things that stands out
about Snark is that that far on the

1160
01:12:39,810 --> 01:12:43,410
end, for whatever reason, that
morning radio style of fart on the

1161
01:12:43,410 --> 01:12:43,690
end.

1162
01:12:44,570 --> 01:12:48,180
I'll tell you why. Because
people know it. Cash says it a lot.

1163
01:12:48,420 --> 01:12:49,220
Farts are funny.

1164
01:12:49,220 --> 01:12:50,980
Farts are funny every time.
Every time.

1165
01:12:51,060 --> 01:12:51,580
Yep.

1166
01:12:51,580 --> 01:12:55,220
Just as sure as a Skyrim copy
will sell. Fart will make someone

1167
01:12:55,220 --> 01:12:55,620
laugh.

1168
01:12:55,780 --> 01:12:59,180
Just as sure as they'll make
another resell of Skyrim in some

1169
01:12:59,180 --> 01:13:03,420
way. Call it something
different. Okay, we're gonna. We're

1170
01:13:03,420 --> 01:13:05,100
gonna take it down. We're
gonna take the lights down a little

1171
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:06,540
bit. Okay, on this one.

1172
01:13:06,540 --> 01:13:06,980
All right.

1173
01:13:06,980 --> 01:13:12,390
Even though the name of this
segment of Snark is the Lights Are

1174
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:16,670
still on in Azeroth, because
this one does cover some. Some heavier

1175
01:13:16,670 --> 01:13:22,470
topics. And this is very hot
news right now. So if you didn't

1176
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:26,830
know, we're going to kind of
give you the. The old man style.

1177
01:13:26,830 --> 01:13:29,390
Cliff's notes. You know what
I'm talking about? You know what

1178
01:13:29,390 --> 01:13:32,070
I'm talking about. In other
words, we're going to summarize what

1179
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:39,020
happened in MMO Community news
here over the past week or so, because

1180
01:13:39,020 --> 01:13:42,900
this does involve the MMO
industry as a whole, and we would

1181
01:13:42,900 --> 01:13:47,340
be remiss if we didn't talk
about it. So the last big project

1182
01:13:48,220 --> 01:13:53,579
that Jibs and I and a good
friend of ours, Sunny, was involved

1183
01:13:53,579 --> 01:13:57,980
in was almost. For almost two
years, we podcasted about the development

1184
01:13:57,980 --> 01:14:00,380
of Ashes of Creation. We've
talked about it on the show before.

1185
01:14:02,060 --> 01:14:05,990
So Ashes of Creation, if you
don't know anything about it, was

1186
01:14:06,150 --> 01:14:09,830
initially crowdfunded. Like
they did a crowdfunding campaign

1187
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:16,110
for it. But for the most part,
it was touted as a. As the main developer

1188
01:14:16,110 --> 01:14:24,550
was funding the whole project.
This particular gentleman was gifted

1189
01:14:24,710 --> 01:14:31,190
in the area of money and was a
longtime MMO player and wanted to

1190
01:14:31,190 --> 01:14:34,550
make his own mmo. So he
founded his own studio, called it

1191
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:39,510
Intrepid Studios, and along
with the crowdfunding was basically

1192
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:43,270
self funding the project.
Well, it was going quite well. They

1193
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:46,910
just had a release on Steam.
We're seeing decent numbers on Steam.

1194
01:14:47,310 --> 01:14:53,590
The game was. Was in alpha and
moving towards beta, which was probably,

1195
01:14:53,590 --> 01:14:57,740
if we're. If we're honest,
probably a good two years away from,

1196
01:14:58,540 --> 01:15:04,260
you know, alpha or beta.
Closed, open beta. The game was very

1197
01:15:04,260 --> 01:15:08,060
niche, though. It was very
much a PvP game. The game was Beautiful.

1198
01:15:08,060 --> 01:15:12,700
The combat was very fun, but
it was a little bit too open worldy

1199
01:15:12,700 --> 01:15:16,780
for us. And we, we found that
it, it just wasn't the game for us.

1200
01:15:17,020 --> 01:15:21,300
There was a lot of extortion
and, you know, you do a lot of things

1201
01:15:21,300 --> 01:15:26,280
to build your character up or,
you know, build a caravan and you're

1202
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,880
running goods from one place
to another and then somebody could

1203
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,400
just come take it, take it all
and there's nothing you could do

1204
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,640
about it. And it was very, got
very frustrating a lot of in game

1205
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,760
politics and such. So lo and
behold, we found this is probably

1206
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:43,640
not the game for us. But
development moved on and the game

1207
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:48,670
still seemed to be doing quite
well in its development cycles. But

1208
01:15:49,550 --> 01:15:56,510
over the past weekend, the
studio shut down its doors and they

1209
01:15:56,510 --> 01:16:02,830
sent notices out to hundreds
of amazing game developers, many

1210
01:16:02,830 --> 01:16:06,790
of which we got to know. So
before we get started, I just want

1211
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:10,870
to say as we're covering this
topic, this is nothing about us dunking

1212
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:14,630
on a game or celebrating
layoff, because we are 100% not doing

1213
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:18,030
that. We made a lot of friends
over there and the development team

1214
01:16:18,030 --> 01:16:22,590
was very, very good to us. But
I think it's important to mention

1215
01:16:22,590 --> 01:16:25,390
that a lot of very real
people, we talk about the real people

1216
01:16:25,390 --> 01:16:28,390
that are making these games. A
lot of these people lost their jobs

1217
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:32,870
over the weekend, including
one of our very close friends, which

1218
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:36,430
bums us out to a great extent.
So, Planendorf, if you're out there

1219
01:16:36,430 --> 01:16:38,310
and you're listening, we love
you and we're thinking about you.

1220
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:43,840
So without getting into the
speculation of the reasons why this

1221
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,160
thing shut down too much,
we'll talk a little bit about it.

1222
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:52,080
But Intrepid had a very, very
rapid shutdown. And I think the reason

1223
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:56,560
that I wanted to snark this
this week is because this is the

1224
01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:04,160
reality of the MMO genre over
the past decade. It is brutal. And

1225
01:17:05,100 --> 01:17:08,580
I wanted to talk a little bit
about why this might have happened

1226
01:17:08,580 --> 01:17:13,420
with Intrepid and the reasons
why games like World of Warcraft

1227
01:17:14,300 --> 01:17:19,340
have somehow survived despite
this particular genre struggling

1228
01:17:20,060 --> 01:17:26,300
in the industry. So, Jibs,
what do you think? I mean, you're,

1229
01:17:26,780 --> 01:17:29,980
you've been in this thing just
as long as I have, covering MMOs

1230
01:17:29,980 --> 01:17:33,750
and following MMOs and
watching development of many, many

1231
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:38,470
games very closely. What are
some of the reasons you think the

1232
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:41,390
MMO genre is struggling so
hard for right now?

1233
01:17:41,470 --> 01:17:45,390
It is a. I read this the other
day, actually I think it was today.

1234
01:17:47,630 --> 01:17:52,910
Ultimately, it is a large
gamble that requires such a large

1235
01:17:52,910 --> 01:18:00,200
upfront investment that may
not pay off. And I Think partially

1236
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,360
what you're why it's so
difficult. Partially is because publishers

1237
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:08,120
I think these days are
terrified of it. This is not 2008

1238
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:13,680
when everyone's coming out
with you know, the, the MMO. Honestly

1239
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,480
I don't even know what we
would call those years. But it's

1240
01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:19,320
like the, the founding years
of MMOs. Like the surge that came

1241
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,920
because they people wanted an
answer to World of Warcraft. Right.

1242
01:18:23,300 --> 01:18:25,860
I'm not gonna talk about a wow
killer cuz that's just so stupid.

1243
01:18:26,020 --> 01:18:29,300
But at this point. But you
know like learned that over the years.

1244
01:18:29,700 --> 01:18:33,140
Yeah but like all these
companies, they wanted to have their

1245
01:18:33,140 --> 01:18:37,180
own World of Warcraft, right?
So Warhammer Online, I love the Warhammer

1246
01:18:37,180 --> 01:18:40,940
universe. Great lore.
Warhammer Online came out Firefall.

1247
01:18:40,940 --> 01:18:44,660
Remember that game as an FPS
that we played together? Lord of

1248
01:18:44,660 --> 01:18:46,620
the Rings Online, which is
still around. Star wars, the Old

1249
01:18:46,620 --> 01:18:49,580
Republic, still around.
Scrolls Online. Like the list goes

1250
01:18:49,580 --> 01:18:54,220
on, on secret. Like you could
just keep. Wildstar just keeps going.

1251
01:18:54,620 --> 01:19:02,620
Right. And there was a time, a
period of about five maybe six years

1252
01:19:03,340 --> 01:19:07,900
when it was kind of the glory
days as far as these MMOs being released.

1253
01:19:08,700 --> 01:19:11,900
Now that was a wildly
different time. Wildly different

1254
01:19:11,900 --> 01:19:15,260
time. Especially financially
for a lot of these things. Companies

1255
01:19:15,420 --> 01:19:20,870
now have seen so many MMOs
fail. I think that they're very,

1256
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:26,310
very nervous if there's not a
great plan up front, very nervous

1257
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:32,189
about putting in the funds for
these sorts of things. So I think

1258
01:19:32,189 --> 01:19:36,710
that that is one of many
reason why it's so difficult is that

1259
01:19:36,710 --> 01:19:42,560
publishers are just terrified
oftentimes about getting involved

1260
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:44,000
with an MMO development.

1261
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:48,440
Right. And I agree there
wholeheartedly about the, the MMO

1262
01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:52,000
genre as a whole and why a lot
of companies don't want to support

1263
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,760
this type of stuff anymore.
Now take this with a grain of salt

1264
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,560
because these facts are 100%
not confirmed and there's a lot of

1265
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,080
speculation going on there
about what caught, what can cause,

1266
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:07,610
what can cause. In a general
sense, a large mmo, a large. And

1267
01:20:07,850 --> 01:20:11,970
a developer that's seemingly
doing very well to just shut down

1268
01:20:11,970 --> 01:20:14,490
their doors without saying
anything. And that's typically how

1269
01:20:14,490 --> 01:20:17,130
it happens. There's not a
whole lot that happens unless you're

1270
01:20:17,530 --> 01:20:21,010
really, really digging behind
the scenes. You don't know a lot

1271
01:20:21,010 --> 01:20:23,770
about what's happening. If
you're just watching the development

1272
01:20:24,650 --> 01:20:27,850
before a company will shut
down, just shut their doors, we're

1273
01:20:27,850 --> 01:20:34,980
done. Personally, this is what
I feel was going on. Super ambitious

1274
01:20:34,980 --> 01:20:42,300
project, right? But things are
super expensive. Super expensive.

1275
01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:48,820
You're talking salary
benefits, renters of servers like

1276
01:20:48,820 --> 01:20:52,260
around the world, so that you
can provide your game to lots of

1277
01:20:52,260 --> 01:20:56,820
places, you know, with. With
minimal ping and lag and issues,

1278
01:20:57,700 --> 01:21:00,490
whether or not you're in a
brick and mortar studio, which Intrepid

1279
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:06,760
was. And I live in California.
Intrepid was in California. And I

1280
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:11,400
know how expensive stuff is
here. I cannot imagine having a brick

1281
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:17,000
and mortar studio that you
have to pay rent for and keep the

1282
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:21,240
lights on in and have hundreds
of developers working in there. It

1283
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:25,600
had to be insane amounts of
money for all of those things. Just

1284
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,690
salary, benefits, server
rentals and. And your brick and mortar

1285
01:21:29,330 --> 01:21:35,050
development studio. On top of
that, you got voice work, outsourcing

1286
01:21:35,050 --> 01:21:37,330
certain parts of your game,
like graphic work and stuff like

1287
01:21:37,330 --> 01:21:42,650
that. That all costs money.
And when you add all that stuff up

1288
01:21:42,650 --> 01:21:49,890
together, that is going to add
up very quickly if the game is being

1289
01:21:50,850 --> 01:21:57,660
self funded. So. Solely self
funded. So the game Ashes of Creation

1290
01:21:57,660 --> 01:22:05,460
was originally touted as being
funded to completion. Self funded

1291
01:22:05,460 --> 01:22:11,180
to completion. Okay. And it
was also touted that it was not under

1292
01:22:12,540 --> 01:22:17,180
like any type of board of
directors and there was 100% free

1293
01:22:17,500 --> 01:22:22,230
vision and development by the
owner of the studio, which is all

1294
01:22:22,230 --> 01:22:26,430
like, fantastic stuff. Like,
okay, the game's funded to completion.

1295
01:22:26,910 --> 01:22:30,790
It's. This is. This is gonna
happen. We were super convinced that

1296
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:34,070
like, no, this is a company to
step behind because of, you know,

1297
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:36,630
their, their morals and all
the things that, that they were.

1298
01:22:36,630 --> 01:22:40,590
They were talking about and
even interacting with this gentleman.

1299
01:22:41,390 --> 01:22:44,870
His name is Stephen Sharif.
And for all intents and purposes,

1300
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:48,240
every interaction that we had
with this gentleman, and he's kind,

1301
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:53,920
intelligent, smart,
benevolent, like all these things

1302
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:59,840
that you would want in a human
being. He is. And now all of a sudden

1303
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:05,400
there's talk about there being
a board and the board making some

1304
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,680
decisions that he didn't agree
with as to the direction of the game.

1305
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:14,950
So when there's a board, that
to me indicates that some other investments

1306
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:18,190
had to be made. You had some
other stakeholders in this game that

1307
01:23:18,190 --> 01:23:22,230
either weren't announced or
were not previously disclosed. Again,

1308
01:23:22,630 --> 01:23:25,910
I don't want to get into the
specifics about what actually happened

1309
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:30,350
or, you know, talk too, too
much about things that I personally

1310
01:23:30,350 --> 01:23:34,990
do not know about. But all I'm
saying is that all the Swiss cheese

1311
01:23:34,990 --> 01:23:38,830
holes lined up perfectly for
there to be some kind of a disaster

1312
01:23:38,830 --> 01:23:43,400
here. And it did happen. And
it's not just Intrepid. I think this

1313
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:48,400
is happening with so many
other games that are trying to develop

1314
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:54,280
MMOs. So let me ask you this
again. Knowing the success of World

1315
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,960
of Warcraft and Knowing that
World of Warcraft and Blizzard, Activision,

1316
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:03,360
like, we're talking zero
questions of a AAA production that

1317
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:08,390
is keeping this game that we
love alive. Do you feel like there

1318
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:12,910
needs to be a balance of some
larger conglomerate companies that

1319
01:24:12,910 --> 01:24:18,470
have way deeper pockets to be
able to make a game, an mmo, specifically

1320
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:20,230
be developed and survive?

1321
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:24,150
You need to. You need to do
what World of Warcraft did in 2004.

1322
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:28,550
One of the main things that it
did, it did so many things right,

1323
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:31,550
but one of the main things it
did is the reason why it led to so

1324
01:24:31,550 --> 01:24:35,030
much success is because they
made an MMO for the general person

1325
01:24:35,670 --> 01:24:40,310
that anyone could step into.
They took a. They took a genre that

1326
01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:46,670
was very in depth, right?
Very, very rpg, and they brought

1327
01:24:46,670 --> 01:24:51,150
it to the forefront where
everybody could partake. Ashes of

1328
01:24:51,150 --> 01:24:55,750
Creation did not do that. Many
other games have not done that. And

1329
01:24:56,790 --> 01:25:03,490
that is one of the things that
I hope, I hope and pray other MMOs

1330
01:25:03,490 --> 01:25:08,370
that are coming out do,
because we need this genre to thrive.

1331
01:25:09,170 --> 01:25:15,530
We need competition for World
of Warcraft. I need League of Legends

1332
01:25:15,530 --> 01:25:19,570
to come out with their mmo. I
need the next Warhammer MMO to come

1333
01:25:19,570 --> 01:25:25,340
out. You know, why? Tell you,
case in point, when I was. I owned.

1334
01:25:25,740 --> 01:25:28,900
I managed part of the family
business, and I had established this

1335
01:25:28,900 --> 01:25:32,500
new area. I was getting the
name and everything out there. Do

1336
01:25:32,500 --> 01:25:36,860
you know when business was
best? When my competition moved right

1337
01:25:36,860 --> 01:25:42,580
across the street, I could see
them from my desk. Do you know who

1338
01:25:42,580 --> 01:25:47,180
won ultimately in that?
Because it pushed me to be better.

1339
01:25:47,180 --> 01:25:49,900
It pushed him to be better. He
wanted to beat me, I wanted to beat

1340
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:53,390
them. Who's the person in the
middle? The consumer.

1341
01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:55,990
The consumer. Were you
flipping each other off from.

1342
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:57,790
Across the street, shooting
bottle rockets?

1343
01:26:00,270 --> 01:26:01,150
Little Goblin?

1344
01:26:02,350 --> 01:26:06,830
Hey, yeah, but, you know,
like, no, that was when it was best.

1345
01:26:06,830 --> 01:26:10,230
And it was best for me, for
business, but more importantly, it

1346
01:26:10,230 --> 01:26:13,590
was the best for the consumer.
Because ultimately, when you have

1347
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:19,020
good competition, good
competition, the consumer will always

1348
01:26:19,420 --> 01:26:23,300
win. Because these companies
want to. Want to. I mean, they want

1349
01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:28,860
to compete. I need that. We
need that because that means we have

1350
01:26:28,860 --> 01:26:32,940
a healthy genre. A healthy
genre isn't MMOs dying in development.

1351
01:26:33,580 --> 01:26:37,780
You know, it's not publishers
being terrified to step up to the

1352
01:26:37,780 --> 01:26:42,580
plate and join people. We have
watched this MMO genre over the last

1353
01:26:42,580 --> 01:26:46,110
12 years since we started
casting for our first podcast for

1354
01:26:46,110 --> 01:26:49,350
Star wars, the Old Republic.
We have watched too many games come

1355
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:54,150
and go. And honestly,
sometimes the MMO genre, in a lot

1356
01:26:54,150 --> 01:26:59,150
of ways, unfortunately, has
become sometimes a joke or a laugh

1357
01:26:59,310 --> 01:27:04,870
that people will look at and
they'll just side eye it just because

1358
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:08,670
of the struggle that it's had.
And I'm sorry, I don't even remember

1359
01:27:08,670 --> 01:27:12,150
your initial question, but
I'll just tell you this, man, oh,

1360
01:27:12,150 --> 01:27:17,150
man, we need League of Legends
to come out with their mmo. We need

1361
01:27:17,310 --> 01:27:20,630
that Warhammer mmo. I think
it's coming out. We need that to

1362
01:27:20,630 --> 01:27:23,790
happen because we need the
genre to thrive. We need it to keep

1363
01:27:23,790 --> 01:27:28,310
moving forward. New worlds
dying. Like, that's another thing

1364
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:32,110
that brought. You say what you
want, but they brought the. They.

1365
01:27:32,110 --> 01:27:36,710
You always look at an MMO and
say, what did that game bring? What

1366
01:27:36,710 --> 01:27:39,510
did it add to the genre that
other devs could look at and say,

1367
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:44,510
oh, oh, yeah, you know, the.
Maybe the. The game overall wasn't,

1368
01:27:44,510 --> 01:27:49,710
you know, like the home run,
but that thing was that and that

1369
01:27:49,710 --> 01:27:56,270
fishing system. Sure. You want
to talk about setting the standard

1370
01:27:56,350 --> 01:28:01,310
in the genre for fishing. It
was new World. And it's just like,

1371
01:28:02,350 --> 01:28:04,910
don't look. And we are
Warcraft fans through and through,

1372
01:28:04,910 --> 01:28:08,310
so don't. Please don't look at
this as like, you know, Warcraft

1373
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:13,150
or bust or die. Ultimately,
it's MMOs or die. We need these to

1374
01:28:13,150 --> 01:28:17,750
thrive. And I just hope that
they do. I hope that things turn

1375
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:20,470
around and succeed. Because
watching that happen with Ashes of

1376
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:26,150
Creation, I just. I just
sighed and I just. I feel so brokenhearted

1377
01:28:26,150 --> 01:28:30,830
for all those people that
Thursday, whenever it was, they went

1378
01:28:30,830 --> 01:28:34,250
home, could feed their family,
the next day, could not feed their

1379
01:28:34,250 --> 01:28:39,490
family. That is the rock
bottom of it all. And it's just like,

1380
01:28:39,490 --> 01:28:42,530
we need this to thrive. It has
to thrive.

1381
01:28:42,930 --> 01:28:47,850
I did not expect you to take
it in that direction, but I 100%

1382
01:28:47,850 --> 01:28:53,130
see what you're saying. Had
potentially had Ashes of Creation

1383
01:28:53,130 --> 01:28:59,380
not been so niche and been a
little bit more open to, like, lots

1384
01:28:59,380 --> 01:29:03,860
of other players out there, it
would have opened them up for their

1385
01:29:03,860 --> 01:29:04,340
funding.

1386
01:29:04,580 --> 01:29:05,060
Yeah.

1387
01:29:05,060 --> 01:29:09,580
Which would have allowed them
to have a bigger audience and be

1388
01:29:09,580 --> 01:29:14,980
more of a juggernaut in the
space once the game releases. And

1389
01:29:15,540 --> 01:29:19,420
then you took it to the
competition aspect with regards to

1390
01:29:19,420 --> 01:29:24,300
World of Warcraft, because
when the bar is raised, everybody's

1391
01:29:24,300 --> 01:29:24,940
bar goes up.

1392
01:29:25,250 --> 01:29:25,650
Yep.

1393
01:29:26,210 --> 01:29:32,010
So, man, just. I'm tracking
and I. I really like where you took

1394
01:29:32,010 --> 01:29:35,610
that. Like, that was very,
very well thought out response. So

1395
01:29:35,610 --> 01:29:40,130
thank you. I think when. When
you look at stuff and you see the

1396
01:29:40,130 --> 01:29:45,810
decline of the MMO genre and
you watch games which really could

1397
01:29:45,810 --> 01:29:49,250
have been a really, really
good game like Ashes of Creation

1398
01:29:50,780 --> 01:29:57,700
fail, it also reinvigorates
the spot of why World of Warcraft

1399
01:29:57,700 --> 01:30:02,780
stands, continues to stand as
the king. Yeah, that it really does.

1400
01:30:02,860 --> 01:30:07,540
And you can't. There's so many
things that are, that are undeniable

1401
01:30:07,540 --> 01:30:11,340
about it and I think there's
some reasons why I want to hit these

1402
01:30:11,340 --> 01:30:13,460
quickly. I know we're
probably, yeah, we're definitely

1403
01:30:13,460 --> 01:30:14,620
running short on time.

1404
01:30:14,700 --> 01:30:16,930
Oh, we're way over this
episode folks. You're getting extended

1405
01:30:16,930 --> 01:30:18,370
episode. We're all methed up.

1406
01:30:18,530 --> 01:30:19,890
We're all methed up tonight.

1407
01:30:20,050 --> 01:30:21,450
It's called that noggin Fogger.

1408
01:30:21,450 --> 01:30:24,690
We're not. It's the
noggenfogger. So World of Warcraft

1409
01:30:24,690 --> 01:30:29,330
traditionally has had a rock
solid infrastructure on the backend

1410
01:30:29,330 --> 01:30:33,650
for sure. They have a huge
company behind them, multiple revenue

1411
01:30:33,650 --> 01:30:37,490
streams. Right. Subs, their
tokens, all the different services

1412
01:30:37,490 --> 01:30:41,930
they do, all the other games
they do and everything. I just think

1413
01:30:41,930 --> 01:30:44,450
that there's so much of a
knowledge base there. They've built

1414
01:30:44,450 --> 01:30:48,010
such a huge team that they can
make a lot of anticipations about

1415
01:30:48,010 --> 01:30:54,850
things going wrong. You can't
predict everything, but if wow stumbles,

1416
01:30:55,330 --> 01:30:58,489
they hot fix it. Like no
problem. They're, they're kind, they

1417
01:30:58,489 --> 01:31:01,810
kind of have contingency plan
upon contingency plan and I don't

1418
01:31:01,810 --> 01:31:04,610
know the back end of their
development, but it seems to work.

1419
01:31:04,610 --> 01:31:07,410
When there's a problem, for
the most part that problem gets fixed

1420
01:31:07,410 --> 01:31:10,680
pretty quick. Look at the
release of Twilight Ascension, right.

1421
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:16,560
That first night was rough,
but by the time I woke up in the

1422
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:20,480
morning it was fixed. Yep, we
were all good to go. So when you

1423
01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:23,680
have that support there and
you have, you know, a large conglomerate

1424
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:29,440
behind you, you can afford to
just make the things that you need

1425
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:33,520
to do to make your, to keep
your game clipping along. And I think

1426
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,740
when you're, when you're
trying to self fund something or

1427
01:31:37,140 --> 01:31:40,780
even worse when you're trying
to crowdfund something, it makes

1428
01:31:40,780 --> 01:31:43,660
it very, very difficult to do
that because you know, the deep pockets

1429
01:31:43,660 --> 01:31:48,060
just aren't there. So that is
101 thing that world of Warcraft

1430
01:31:48,060 --> 01:31:53,300
has in this industry. I don't,
I don't say that World of Warcraft

1431
01:31:53,300 --> 01:31:56,180
is the king because it's a
flawless game, because it's not,

1432
01:31:56,180 --> 01:32:00,510
you know, there's, there's
things that, that have broken, there's

1433
01:32:00,510 --> 01:32:02,390
things that need to be fixed.
There's always things that need to

1434
01:32:02,390 --> 01:32:02,950
be fixed.

1435
01:32:03,030 --> 01:32:03,510
Yeah.

1436
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:06,350
And you know, if you want
proof of that, then just go watch

1437
01:32:06,350 --> 01:32:12,110
any of Bellular's videos. It's
good days and he has bad days, but

1438
01:32:12,110 --> 01:32:15,270
he does, he does speak his
truth. You know, you gotta hand it

1439
01:32:15,270 --> 01:32:18,230
to him, he has no problem
laying it out the way that it is.

1440
01:32:18,310 --> 01:32:18,870
Yep.

1441
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:22,590
So I guess what I'm trying to
say is you don't have to love the

1442
01:32:22,590 --> 01:32:26,620
king, but you can't pretend
that the throne is empty either.

1443
01:32:26,860 --> 01:32:28,060
Oh, that's well said.

1444
01:32:28,300 --> 01:32:31,740
Warcraft is, is here and
Warcraft is here to stay. And there's

1445
01:32:31,740 --> 01:32:36,140
a lot of reasons why. Part of
those reasons because I've had 21

1446
01:32:36,140 --> 01:32:39,020
plus years of experience in
making mistakes and fixing those

1447
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:44,060
mistakes. So again, I, I
wanted to, to throw this out there,

1448
01:32:44,060 --> 01:32:47,140
I wanted to discuss it because
it's such a huge thing happening

1449
01:32:47,140 --> 01:32:50,180
in the industry right now. It,
man, if you look at YouTube videos

1450
01:32:50,180 --> 01:32:53,780
and jibs, some of the content
creators that we created alongside

1451
01:32:53,780 --> 01:32:57,730
and, and became friends with,
oh my God, they're like, they're

1452
01:32:57,730 --> 01:33:01,290
done. Like, what do they do
now? I know, I know at least of a

1453
01:33:01,290 --> 01:33:03,690
few of them. They're coming
over to Warcraft. I'm like, come

1454
01:33:03,690 --> 01:33:06,090
on over, dude. We have Kaja Cola.

1455
01:33:06,090 --> 01:33:07,210
Yeah, come on over here.

1456
01:33:07,690 --> 01:33:08,970
Freaking fantastic.

1457
01:33:09,610 --> 01:33:10,650
Oh, I love it.

1458
01:33:11,610 --> 01:33:14,770
And I know we jest about it,
but for all you developers out there,

1459
01:33:14,770 --> 01:33:17,450
if there's any that are
listening, just know that we see

1460
01:33:17,450 --> 01:33:23,620
you, we feel for you, we thank
you for your hard work and you know,

1461
01:33:23,620 --> 01:33:28,620
from our, from our show to
your career, best wishes wherever

1462
01:33:28,620 --> 01:33:30,980
you land because you're,
you're talented folks and you're

1463
01:33:31,300 --> 01:33:35,140
undoubtedly gonna, gonna find
your spot. So much love to you.

1464
01:33:35,380 --> 01:33:38,780
Agreed. Well, folks, thank you
so much for this. We're gonna go

1465
01:33:38,780 --> 01:33:42,140
to our lore lesson and then
we'll be right back to close out

1466
01:33:42,140 --> 01:33:49,160
the show. When Dalaran fell,
it wasn't just a city that was lost.

1467
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:54,520
It was libraries, records,
centuries of knowledge, scattered,

1468
01:33:54,680 --> 01:34:00,680
burned or buried. What remains
survives in fragments. Copied tomes,

1469
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:05,760
partial transcriptions. That's
where this begins. I'm not here to

1470
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:11,120
retell Azeroth's full history.
Cash already walks that road. What

1471
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:17,610
follows is a character dossier
assembled from what survived. Let's

1472
01:34:17,610 --> 01:34:30,450
open the file. Source
Condition Kirin Tor Elemental Archives

1473
01:34:30,530 --> 01:34:36,050
destroyed Stormwind Libraries
Partial earthen Ring Records Ltd.

1474
01:34:36,930 --> 01:34:41,320
What follows reflects
consensus facts, not a complete record.

1475
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:52,120
Identification. Ragnaros, Fire
Lord. Lord of Fire, Lord of Flame,

1476
01:34:52,680 --> 01:35:01,720
the great Fire. Fire
elemental, demigod level entity.

1477
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:07,380
All surviving sources agree.
Ragnaros was. Was not a mortal elevated

1478
01:35:07,380 --> 01:35:15,140
to power, he was Fire, given
will, domain and authority. Ragnaros

1479
01:35:15,140 --> 01:35:19,180
ruled the Firelands, a region
of the elemental plane formed entirely

1480
01:35:19,180 --> 01:35:23,580
of flame and molten stone. His
seat of power was Sulfuron Keep,

1481
01:35:23,980 --> 01:35:28,020
described consistently as a
fortress suspended within an endless

1482
01:35:28,020 --> 01:35:33,360
sky of fire. Authority within
his domain was absolutely no councils,

1483
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:38,240
no shared rule. All known
servants answered directly to him.

1484
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:44,160
Observed temperament.
Independent accounts align. Ragnaros

1485
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:49,920
favored overwhelming force. He
rejected restraint. He did not negotiate.

1486
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:55,400
One phrase appears repeatedly
across surviving texts. He did not

1487
01:35:55,400 --> 01:36:01,090
threaten. He arrived. Fire was
not a weapon he wielded. It was the

1488
01:36:01,090 --> 01:36:11,250
condition he imposed. Methods
of rule Ragnaros ruled through proximity

1489
01:36:11,250 --> 01:36:15,810
and fear. His presence is
described as catastrophic volcanic

1490
01:36:15,810 --> 01:36:20,330
upheaval, atmospheric
ignition, continuous environmental

1491
01:36:20,330 --> 01:36:25,050
collapse. He was traditionally
attended by a Major Doma who acted

1492
01:36:25,050 --> 01:36:29,210
as his voice and enforcer,
supported by a rigid hierarchy of

1493
01:36:29,210 --> 01:36:35,890
Elemental lieutenants. Loyalty
was enforced, not earned. Status.

1494
01:36:37,090 --> 01:36:42,010
All credible sources agree
Ragnaros is deceased. He was destroyed

1495
01:36:42,010 --> 01:36:45,690
within his own domain in the
Firelands. Death occurred on his

1496
01:36:45,690 --> 01:36:50,020
own native plane, rendering it
permanent. The mantle of Firelord

1497
01:36:50,020 --> 01:36:55,100
later passed to Smolderon.
Closing note across every surviving

1498
01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:59,860
fragment, every scorched page
and marginal note. Ragnaros is not

1499
01:36:59,860 --> 01:37:04,780
remembered for strategy, not
for ideology. He's remembered for

1500
01:37:04,780 --> 01:37:10,380
scale. Fire. Uncontained
power, unquestioned. And when that

1501
01:37:10,380 --> 01:37:24,750
fire finally fell silent, the
world endured. All right folks, this

1502
01:37:24,750 --> 01:37:28,310
was episode 20 of Azeroth
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1503
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:32,910
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1506
01:37:39,110 --> 01:37:42,310
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It tells other gamers other
Warcraft fam. If this show is for

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them and it certainly helps us
out here, you can always visit our

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website@azerothmorningradio.com you

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can learn more about AMR. You
can get in contact by sending us

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your message.

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Whatever you need, cash,
friends, if you would like to get

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in touch with us, we would
love for that to take place. We love

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getting correspondence from
the peeps. You can email us at azerothmorningradiomail.com

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hit us up on Facebook,
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Azeroth Morning Radio. And you
can also hit us up on Patreon where

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we have just very recently
launched the AMR Network and as we

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speak we have some of our
brand new friends on our Patreon

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in here listening to this show
live listening to us screw it up

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and have to. 3, 2, 1, start
again. We're cussing, we're throwing

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things, but you'd never know
it when you listen to the show on

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Tuesday morning.

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Yeah, we. It's been great.
Been great, by the way, just opening

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that up and seeing all the
support. Everyone just like, just

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the feedback's been great and
seeing people comment and say, I

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was so excited and looking
forward to getting more connected

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with this community. So, like,
it's just. I love it. I love seeing

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it. And it starts. And it has
just started. So this is great.

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And a resounding thank you to
everybody who wasted no time and

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joined up on Patreon right
away. Thank you very much. And those

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folks are already seeing the
benefits of it, so thank you guys

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for being here.

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They sure are. Much love to
all of you. Have a wonderful week

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in gaming. Stay safe and we'll
see you right here next week. It's

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our. I don't even. We need a
name for it. We'll figure it out.

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Anyway, this is the award
show. Something for War Within. I

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don't know. We'll figure it
out. See you next week.

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See you soon. Job's done.